Community Oversight Member Elections: Meet the Candidates

AADAO’s choices shape Cosmos culture. It’s not merely a victim of the culture it bemoans. It can and should do better.

The culture will not shift or evolve until incidental favoritism in the eco is minimized, if not eradicated. Quite simply, preferring friends and acquaintances is cronyism, and corruption is the enemy of development.

  • AADAO needs more technical reviewers.

  • It needs more reviewers who are independent of the engineers already benefiting the most from Cosmos’ largest sources of funding: Hub and the ICF.

AADAO gains reputation and resilience through decision-making that is removed from incumbent teams and agendas. It’s critical to develop an impartial process that invites diverse and qualified contributors.

To achieve this, the review process must include less politically opinionated technical “specialists,” and the application process must become more transparent.

I ran for oversight because I believe the biggest opportunity for the desired cultural change lies with the 980k $ATOM in its arsenal. And how it’s used.

Don’t blame the attitudes in the community when you play a role in shaping community perception and response. This is not leadership.

Finally, I think AADAO may be missing a chance to reinforce its identity as a “process-driven” organization due to the lack of oversight and basic procedural best practices in the oversight election.

If the DAO hosts an election, it should enforce rules for fairness instead of passively allowing weak conflict checks and tolerating abuses of voting options that engender unfair bandwagon effects.

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Hi everyone,

I’d like to inform the community that I updated the tool I mentioned previously, which now allows to separate the results in different categories, for each proposal:

  • The VP coming from voters,
  • The VP coming from the validator’s self-stake,
  • The VP coming from the validator’s delegators that did not express their vote on the proposal

I double checked and it matches the results from Elections dashboard, so I suppose it’s quite correct.

Please find below a summary of the Yes votes (showing only voting power) for all three proposals from 25 minutes ago. It’s a large picture, please click on it and zoom in for the information you want.

Thank you.

Kind regards,
arlai

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Thank you very much @arlai-mk!

The sheet also shows you how validators voted btw.
As for validator voting – exclusive ‘Yes’ votes are as follows (Yes’ to only one prop):

920: 20 vals
921: 2 vals
922: 6 vals

Hey there sir,

I’d like to say that this study you’ve been doing is probably the most significant event in the history of Cosmos governance.

In fact I never expected to see a skew so large.

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Kind of sad… community oversight not being elected by the community but by a few big vals…

Would be interesting to apply Quadratic Voting and the Power tax to see what it would have done.

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Hi @Cosmos_Nanny,

Unfortunately, the sheet as an image may not be easy to navigate. I’m not sure if I am allowed to upload any other format than pictures, though.

Please see below the accurate number of validators exclusive “Yes” votes (as of the time of my previous post):
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Also, for information, it has changed since my last post, and the results from 15 minutes ago are:
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With the current total tally being:

Regards,
arlai

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Is it possible to have an update on this issue by the end of business today? It’s been a week. @Syed

Question for @clydedev

If voting ended now, would you feel like the majority of the community elected you?

Conflicts of interest (COIs) arise when personal interests interfere with professional responsibilities, potentially leading to biased decisions. Best practices for managing COI address both actual conflicts and the appearance of conflicts to maintain integrity and trust within and between public facing organizations.

Citadel operates with an unsophisticated & limited scope of qualifying conflicts, I provided my reasoning here, here, and here.

Citadel’s focus on direct and definite COIs as expressed by @JohnMontagu and @neshtedle are simply misguided. Best practices involve proactive and preemptive measures to avoid even the perception of potential conflicts.

Perception Matters but Maybe it Doesn’t Matter to Citadel
Public Trust: The mere appearance of a conflict can be as damaging as an actual conflict because it erodes trust and confidence.
Reputation: Managing both real and perceived conflicts is crucial for maintaining reputation. But maybe the val just doesn’t care.

Preventive Measures are Proactive not Reactive
Proactive Policies: Implementing audits and well developed policies on COIs helps deter both actual and perceived conflicts.
Culture of Integrity: Prioritizing transparency and ethical behavior fosters a process driven, proactive culture that prevents conflicts, or the perception of conflicts from arising. Seems to me Citadel culture is one of reactive disavowal and dismissing well reasoned objections to objectionable conduct.

Independent Evaluation
It is procedurally incorrect for Citadel to evaluate the fairness and impartiality of its subjective interpretation as to what COIs are, as Citadel has admittedly done several times in the previous week. Internal evals are inherently biased. COI management requires independent reviews to ensure comprehensive and objective assessment.

Independent analysis is essential because the ability to rationalize incorrect actions in “cocoons” of like-minded and similarly incentivized individuals are common human behaviors. Especially when decision-making is involved. Privilege is a bias-making monster.

Citadel’s complacent reliance on internal reviews to detect and identify COIs is flawed. And unreliable.

As a person who works as a paid consultant specialized in navigating and evaluating direct and indirect COIs — please know that reviewing one’s own decisions in a context of insularity, only reinforces blindspots to potential ethical breaches & conduct.

These are basic and deeply established best practices Citadel is defiantly ignoring. Must do better.

On account of Reena’s full-time, paid contributor status with AADAO, I strongly encourage Citadel to evolve its shallow principles and lack of independent review and objective processes. Due to their failure in managing COIs appropriately, not only have they managed to draw valid skepticism re the professional and ethical culture of their validator team, but they have also undermined the integrity of this “election."
I must say, the observed and ongoing lack of leadership from AADAO’s Oversight Committee and Coordinator in this situation, has been deeply disappointing.

Citadel must prove its impartiality and fairness through its voting behavior.

It cannot insist on its impartiality and fairness despite its voting behavior.

Finally, utterly rubbish to say their bias doesn’t exist. They explicitly expressed a preference for a candidate in the oversight election— this is bias lol.

Expressing bias is permissible when the stakeholder is free of conflicts. The combination of my many relevant experiences informs me that Citadel, in this situation, is not free of conflicts.

tl;dr: We can disagree. But Citadel is wrong.

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Performing an internal COI check by people that have no experience with such matters and are not lawyers is comical and farcical. US regulators have published volumes on conflicts of interest. Cosmos may not have a federal functional regulator for now, but regulations will eventually come online covering this very topic and governance in PoS networks more broadly - only a matter of when not if. This our chance to do things transparently and compliantly with the established COI rules on the books, yet people choose the opposite. Unfortunate to see.

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Hey @Cosmos_Nanny thanks for sharing your reply here. Here are my thoughts:

You’re absolutely right, we can disagree. And maybe you’re right, Citadel is wrong. But Citadel could just as well be right in their approach to this. At this point we do not know who’s right, simply because the Cosmos Hub community hasn’t established guidelines for what constitutes a COI in an election.
What I know for sure though, is that: automatically assuming that I’m right or automatically assuming that the opposite party isn’t, is wrong. And it’s the wrong approach to governance.
Maybe our assessment of the situation is wrong. Maybe your claims are unfounded. But until we have established guidelines that have been pre-approved by the majority, all we can do is nurture the debate around the topic, explain the rationale behind our opinions and keep an open mind.

Perhaps it would also help to share our voting rationale. it might help advance the debate around what’s a COI in similar cases for future reference:
As a validator, we have governance responsibilities to our delegators to vote for what we believe is best for the Hub. We also have a duty to the Cosmos Hub community in general to abide by the rules of its social consensus. For example, making sure that there is no conflict of interest when voting/ following the election rules…
The discussions around choosing a candidate for the Oversight Committee, in no way involved Reena ( the AADAO contributor in question). Which eliminates any possible COIs according to our internal bylaws as well as the social rules of the elections.
Absent a COI, it is our responsibility and our right as a Validator to vote on what we believe is in the best interest of the Hub. Which in this case was to chose the candidate that fits these criteria the most:
· The most skin in the game

· ‘on the frontline’ of contributing to the Hub

This is because we believe that in order to be efficient, The Oversight Committee requires a full grasp of the mission and responsibilities of the ATOMAccelerator as the stewards of the Hub. For us, the candidate that fits these criteria the most is Clyde.

That being said, we fully recognize that this is a first for the Hub. And given that there was no pre-established rules for elections, we remain open to changing our vote and welcome any constructive feedback around our rationale.
However so far, the only arguments I have seen so far are:

  1. An AADAO contributor is affiliated with C1

While this is true, it only presents a COI when the individual in question takes part in the vote or attempts to influence that vote in any way. Which, again, wasn’t the case here. Persisting with this argument, after you have received confirmations from three separate entities that confirm that Reena has abstained, seems unreasonable.

  1. The on chain data suggests substantial signalling for C1 to reconsider its vote

Are we challenging the whole concept of how dPOS works now?

Suggesting that, because our delegators voted more for Grace than they did for Clyde or Matt, C1 should reconsider changing its vote is, at best, a misunderstanding of how delegated proof of stake works.

A validator’s vote should represent the best interest of those who aren’t voting and not the opposite. Arguing that a validator should vote based on the small percentage of delegators who voted is the opposite of how governance works.

If anything, it proves to me that C1 delegators are well informed (partially thanks to us because we remind them that they could always override us if they don’t agree with our vote in all of our comms) and those who are pro Matt or Grace cast their vote for them.

It also suggests to me that we’ve moved from COI claims to lobbying C1 to change their vote because ‘this is what the community wants’.

My personal opinion is that these two arguments are unfounded and in no way call for an abstention or changing our vote. But perhaps, as you mentioned twice, I neglected to check all feedback, in which case I’m happy to be corrected and I’d love to discuss with the community any other arguments that have been brought up.

My apologies, perhaps I misexplained myself. I think the expression I have used is: “Having reason to be biased” (understandably). Which, in this case, refers to having an ulterior motive rather than exercising objective reasoning on who’s the best candidate for the position.
The fact that:
· You only brought up the COI claims after C1 voted for another candidate and not during the pre-vote discussions
· You’re trying to lobby validators to change their vote by misinterpreting on-chain data

Gives me reason to believe that you have a reason to be biased.
In the same sense, we have no reason to be biased. Unless you believe that Reena influenced the vote. A point that we’ve already covered.

tl;dr we can disagree, but we should do so with an open mind and constructively.
I actually think that you sharing your perceived COIs with the community is a positive thing and I thank you for it. As that is the only way we can contribute to openly establishing the right guidelines for future purposes.
But that is exactly what it is: perceived. And the assurances from AADAO representatives, Reena and me should be more than enough to address the claims. Especially since all of this was brought up after learning that C1, the validator in question, hasn’t voted in your favour.
There was enough time to share your concerns in the forum prior to the voting. It also leaves me wondering whether you would dedicate the same effort to this had C1 voted in your favour?

Afaik, you didn’t object to the voting guidelines prior to the elections. As a matter of fact, you reference them to point out misconduct. Nevertheless, I’m happy to engage in a debate with you and address your concerns, even though we are fully abiding to the very same guidelines.

We remain open to debate and would welcome the feedback of all community members who would like to share their opinion on the topic. Because it is my belief that, us being wrong on how we voted remains a possibility since, as I mentioned, there are no community-approved guidelines around elections yet.

Real quick, can you define majority? ‘Guidelines that are Pre approved by majority’

Just asking, because currently the majority (counted by wallets and validators) is in favor of Grace. Just saying. So would be cool to hear your definition because otherwise we might be running in circles forever.

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C1’s interpretation of conflicts of interest (COIs) is incorrect.

COIs are not a matter of personal or team interpretation but are defined by objective standards that recognize both actual and perceived conflicts.

The modern system of corporate governance is built on carefully developed statutes, sophisticated legal rulings, and extensive practical experience. This framework provides clear and consistent guidelines on what COIs are, how they manifest, and what they look like. If you are unfamiliar with this extensive body of literature, I strongly encourage you to become informed.

Objectively, you are entangled in what can be perceived as a material conflict of interest. A material conflict refers to a conflict of interest that is significant enough to potentially influence the actions, decisions, or integrity of an individual or organization. This type of conflict is considered substantial and can have a serious impact on the fairness and objectivity of decision-making processes.

Your material conflict has nothing to do with whether C1 has or ever intends to apply for a grant, or receive economic subsidies, grants, venture grants, or form partnerships with AADAO or AADAO-funded teams.

These are the facts:

  • Proposals 920-922: These votes shape the composition of AADAO’s Oversight Committee.
  • Oversight Purpose: Oversight theoretically exists to exercise checks and balances against AADAO contributors.
  • Reena’s Role: Reena is a full-time, paid contributor to the AADAO.

In view of these facts, for C1 to participate in this election with an explicit preference is a deviation from compliance with established definitions and practices in COI management.

The applicable principles and practices for managing COIs, from traditional corporate governance to the governance of DAOs, have been well-established since 2017. We operate in an environment where $ATOM has been designated and cited as a security by the SEC. Your ongoing ignorance, especially as a relatively better-resourced infrastructure provider, is inexcusable.

This explanation is an example of what effective oversight should do. It’s not a matter of opinion. Your approach is wrong, and your answer is wrong.

Also wrong. I’m not lobbying anyone. Not even you.
I’m merely informing you, your team, and the community a COI exists.

The correct vote for any validator directly or indirectly associated with a part time or full time contributor to AADAO is to vote abstain on all three proposals, or don’t vote at all.

Your assertion is incorrect. I raised this issue as a potential concern before the election.

  • The issue was discussed in the #AADAO topic channel of Cosmonaut HQ Telegram chat on May 1st, with participation from several current and former members of the AADAO team.
  • During the “Meet the Candidates” Twitter space, I also asked the AADAO team if they would enforce the informal recusal standard that was in effect during Proposals 95 and 865. AADAO’s response was that they “trust” the validators to self-police. This response (to me) implied that best practices had already been demonstrated by affiliated validators through two proposals, making an explicit policy seemingly unnecessary.

To C1’s credit, you initially voted correctly by abstaining on all three proposals. However, on the 13th, you changed your vote. It is not too late to revert to your initial correct voting stance.

Respectfully, I already shared what I believe is “objective reasoning.”
Many times. Read all my responses to you and @neshtedle above.

I definitely recognize my risk to partiality, but for this reason, I have tried to communicate my points in a manner that might trigger a productive conversation that helps your team revisit the wisdom of your team’s voting behavior.

But our (you and me) interactions have been non productive due to what can be described as avoidance, and baseless assertions made by you.

Particularly, the assertion that I’m “biased.”
Stop saying I’m biased – or speaking from a place of bias.
I sincerely do not believe that’s my motivation, here.

When I began speaking on Twitter regarding C1’s vote, bear in mind that 920 held a ~8M $ATOM lead over 922.

Don’t get it twisted.
Even if I still held the lead, I’d be saying the same.

I’m not saying these things because I’m motivated by the outcome of the election. I’ve said many times publicly my incentive in running is not winning.

I ran because an election is a great vehicle to discuss issues, and elections also tend to make visible chronic managerial issues that go unaddressed in DAO operating environments. It’s also a great opportunity to win some changes on behalf of the community by getting other candidates to align with one’s own platform – and guess what? That happened.

If we’re sharing opinions tho, my opinion is that each and every time you attempt to explain or speak on behalf of your team, I become even more emboldened in saying that C1 lacks internal resources, experience and bandwidth in comprehending what conflicts are.

So much of decentralized is cosplay all day. Time to stop playing pretend, and grow up.

This is quite the charge.
When did I misinterpret on-chain data to “lobby validators?”

Show. Rather than accuse.

That’s their style, it seems. Another accusation by Reena was that she was ‘harassed’ because she was ‘bombed on X and the C1 tg group’ by I guess you or me - for asking her questions and start a discussion about what’s happening.
She ‘corrected’ her wording into being ‘forced to change C1 vote’. Terrible behavior.

Q: C1 said they’ll review the forum. Grace says it is IN FACT a material conflict of interest. This is more important than any amount of people saying ‘please abstain because we think it’s bad’. Coi is a red flag.

think c1 should keep its word and have its decision reviewed. But it should be done properly. Utilizing a qualified independent person to analyze. Not some random person not employed by c1. And while the voting is being reviewed for conflict, c1 should just change vote to ABSTAIN 922. If an independent review says voting is ok, change it back before vote period ends.

if Grace is right (which I believe 100%) C1 shouldn’t debate wether to change the vote or not. unless C1 wants to set an example of Governance abuse in Cosmos. Additionally AADAO would look as bad for not stepping in since Reena is part of AADAO.

C1 is this a joke to you? You are talking about whether it’s a COi or not so you post a poll with 3 names and abstain?

What is the vote supposed to showcase? How many individuals vote for which option? Do you expect only your community to participate in the vote? What people think what you should vote for? What they think what you voted for?

It should be two options: is there a COi or not.

Also, in times where you can just buy bots ( there’s not a single comment except for mine ) how much does the vote actually show whatever you wanted to find out btw Your own posts are liked by only fans bots.

Get someone who checks whether there’s a COi or not.

And if you want to ask your delegators directly you should cast the vote in your group (that is dead).

With all due respect but if this post is the product of you reviewing the case and the allegation = post a meaningless poll without instruction what the vote is about - then you’re clearly even less in the position to even decide on your own wether the allegation is wrong or right.

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I agree.

C1 team, you didn’t establish a clear question, and just embedded a poll with response options.

It’s very confusing.
Based on your wording and placement of the poll, it sounds like you’re asking community how they voted.