[Proposal] Cosmos Hub adopt the Skip Block SDK

Thank you Jacob for the answer and the appropriate rectifications. We couldn’t find the time to do the deep down analysis we usually do. We clearly acknowledge that we didn’t have all the necessary depth for this particular matter. You provided some very worthy points here with all the verifiable sources. Thanks a lot for this.

Regarding the political implications, we don’t want to position ourselves one way or the other. We value both Notional and Informal, all we could say is that the Hub need you both. Hopefully someday these deeply rooted tensions will be a thing of the past.

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That’s not your fault at all.

I doubt informal will ever tell the truth on these matters.

I value some people at informal, and hold some people at informal in the highest regard.

Sadly their org has failed them and the cosmos.

Just want to add some substance to a couple of claims above:

made the first PR to comet to adopt cat

Grateful for the PRs because we’ve missed feedback on CAT mempool until this P2P issue was surfaced. It validates some of the work we’ve been doing to reduce bandwidth consumption, and makes the team confident we should continue investing time in it, thanks for that!

@AdiSeredinschi told us that CAT was non viable

I said the Comet team in Informal has reservations about the code. It’s not ready to ship, period. Not in main and particularly not in 0.34.

The team has been doing experiments with mempool (CAT and otherwise) since this summer. The reason for these experiments is because we want to reduce bandwidth consumption in Comet, and the CAT (push/pull) design seems elegant for that purpose. For example, this branch in August has some of the earliest CAT mempool ported code. No PR was opened because we found problems with the ported implementation and were not able to replicate findings from earlier experiments with CAT. Think of that as failed experiments, of which there are many hehe (some tracked here).

Since then, we fixed some things & opened another PR that has the most up-to-date version of our ported CAT code, and which seems to indicate it works better, but it’s still not ready for shipping until comprehensive testing is done. If any network wants to use untested code, we would be open to releasing this as “experimental”.

Since the CAT design is a way to generally reduce mempool-related bandwidth consumption in a network, this can potentially make gossip more resilient to periods of high congestion. To be clear: this is a hypothesis and depends on the network topology. In a network (eg such as Osmosis) that hash high connectivity, the CAT design has potentially not much impact because the first step in CAT approach (push each new tx to all direct neighbors once) will flood the network anyway, and result in the same overwhelming pattern as the “push” mempool. The more sparse a network topology, the better the impact of the CAT design on expectation.

Our intention was to get CAT into the v0.34.x branch

The Informal team approaches porting code into v0.34 with surgical precision. Opening a PR with copy-pasted 4K LOC will not fix any problem, and instead puts work on the team maintaining Comet. Proving a solution works takes a lot of effort. It would be good to prove first that the solution works, and then argue about it (not the other way around). Hope this makes sense, in particular since v0.34 has been in production for almost 3 years (and 0.35 and 0.36 were retracted due to P2P/networking performance).

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Thanks for chipping in man. Glad to see you here. DMd you (well iw as going to, but dont seem to find how anymore on the forum - how can i contact you outside the forum?

Sir, your team has been saying they’re going to ban me from contributing to comet.

I’m sorry that does not sound even remotely like gratitude sir.

I urge everybody to remove all funding from informal systems in perpetuity.

Sir, your team has been saying they’re going to ban me from contributing to comet.

You’re talking off-topic again. Stop.

I stand by what we wrote: continued spamming, harassment or abuse of our team, or off-topic comments, will result in you being blocked from GitHub repositories. It should be the same with this forum BTW.

It doesn’t mean there’s no value to your technical contribution/feedback, I remain grateful for that.

Block SDK MEV extraction will definitely be extremely profitable once core DeFi primitives get deployed on chain.