Holding of accounts on forum - do we have centralization on forum and how it works?

This is for discussion, how we can make Decentralized Governance more decentralized, and to prevent centralization of governance by the small centralized groups

Let’s understand how it works in real, and how we can make it works better, in the interests of the community and Cosmos Development

If Cosmos Forum is so important part of creating proposals, then this forum need to be the same decentralized as cosmos hub governance, otherway we will have very terrible scenarios

And here is a situation, that made me to think about it, because before I was trully belive, that Cosmos Forum is an example of freedom and decentralization, but…

We’ve made a community call, where we explain how decentralized governance works in Cosmos

There we inform community, that all proposals can be discussed (and need to be discussed) on a forum

Many community members joined the forum, but now, several of them wrote to community chat, that their accounts are holded without any reasons

Who is responsible for blocking accounts of ordinary users?
Who and on what grounds receives such rights?
How to check the legality of such actions?

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As my first thoughts (but maybe we will find even better options):

  1. People who have a power to block or unblock community members on forum need to be elected by the community, we can use DAODAO.zone for it

  2. We need to change the process of creating proposals, to don’t use web1-tools as forum, but use web3 decentralized tools to discuss draft proposals

Does anybody have any other suggestions?

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Could easily make a decentralized forum and launch as a smart contract on hub. I made a wikipedia app years ago: alXandria · GitHub

Could be optimized then tweaked and redesigned to be a forum.

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After I publish this issue, more and more real community members inform that their accounts are on holding, and that they can’t write nothing on forum

It would be really great! Because such an old tool as web1-forum - is a shame for decentralized governance

really strange…. we want to get involved and share our thoughts on the proposals, and we get banned….. scary times we’re living mates

It’s possible that now, new accounts freshly created can’t post on the forum without a minimum of read time and engagement. I guess this kind of changes can only be made by an admin.

Can we at least confirm if this is new accounts or old accounts ? I never had any issue

Personally I support this change because after several years of following proposals and discussion here, 99% of the time you see many new accounts posting it always have been some sort of either bots or uninformed users that have probably been brigaded on Discord’s quests or twitter to make a post only to support a proposal or project they are most likely invested in, flooding the forum discussion with not relevant messages (like : Yeahhhhh LFG I support this proposal), then never come back. Forum is suppose to be a place of discussion, not Tiktok’s comment section so it seems fair to request a minimum of read time.

I feel this has more to do with the fact that you’re pissed that your funding proposal didn’t went as expected, looks like more a vendetta than genuine concerns, if not, why did you wait 5 years to make it ? Also, in one post you say private and unknown entities shouldn’t have the right to give their opinion if they are not doxed, but here you propose a decentralized forum where obviously people will not be doxed?

I think your proposal didn’t get support not because of a cartel you speak of but because the proposal was poorly made. I’m a simple users/delegators and I would have vote NO because =

About a decentralized forum, hey why not, could be interesting. imo it would need a very good and smooth UI with the web3 / on-chain integration

You do a lot of stuff Tacolopo :+1:

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Thanks! Yeah UI wouldn’t be as smooth as this just because each post would have to be a wallet interaction with some low fee and backend would need to be IPFS pages that get updated. Simple from a technical standpoint (and already done like I said with some tweaking), but there’d have to be some push from “higher” to say that’s the new official place or I don’t see anyone using it.

I’m totaly sure that such a kind of tool need to be sponsered from Community Pool

Tbh I don’t want to get involved in the drama of proposals, but if you pursued this and got it approved I’d be happy to build it for you.

Please, less ego, we are here not to read about your feelings, or how you would vote on non-existing proposals
Please, write here about topic

For now, we have several issues:

  • To up the proposal we need to discuss it on forum before
  • We don’t know who are moderators on forum
  • We don’t know how they were elected
  • We don’t have any possibility to change it
  • W don’t know how they use their power to block users
  • We already have dissatisfied community members, who can’t write on forum because of blocked accounts

If you can’t tell nothing about topic, and want only represent your feelings, you are in wrong place

Could it be just the logging that goes throw the wallet connexion, giving info like past interactions, confidence score.. etc but the rest (messages) aren’t on-chain ? avoiding the repetitive sign Tx for each interaction. I don’t really see the need for the conversation itself to be on-chain but rather the account

100% true

Definitely could. It sounded like the original posting user was primarily concerned with censorship resistance though. With a Web2 backend, stuff could still get removed. Unless you had a specific implementation in mind that gets around this?