Hub Weekly Update #18: October 1, 2026

This is the eighteenth of Hub Weekly Thursday recaps, straight from the Hub Unit team, per the cadence we committed to in the From Chaos to Stability to Growth post.

Every Thursday, we will call out significant Cosmos Hub updates on the forum, with a short companion thread on X, recapping announcements, live events like validator or community calls, and ecosystem updates!

For more info, see the linked posts, and contact @RoboMcGobo on Telegram to submit news for the weekly.

This week: the Hub roadmap update we promised, covering the long-term vision and the interim products we are looking into for building a roadmap, the full story behind September’s two private security patches now that the CosmWasm advisory is public, a high-level look at the tokenomics Phase 2 findings and what comes next, and the Neutron postmortem plus the recovery plan proposal for the ATOM held by the Hub multisig.

  • Hub roadmap update: the long-term vision is the Hub as the retail connection point between traditional finance and onchain finance. Within this vision, we have product ideas we are validating for roadmap build-out

  • CosmWasm vulnerability: CWA-2026-006 is public. The Hub was affected but not exploited, and v28.1.0 and v28.2.0 were the private patches that mitigated and then fixed it. No funds were lost.

  • Tokenomics: Gauntlet’s Phase 2 recommendations are in review, and a wrap-up post with the full report and a timeline is next

  • Neutron recovery: Neutron’s postmortem is live, and the recovery plan proposal for the 1,227,121 ATOM held by the Hub multisig is on the forum for discussion ahead of a Hub governance vote


Hub Roadmap Update: the long-term vision is the Hub as the retail connection point between traditional finance and onchain finance, within this vision, we have two product ideas we are validating for roadmap build-out

The vision, in short

Weekly #12 set the thesis: the Hub as the connection point between traditional finance and onchain finance. Each side wants what the other has and cannot reach it: institutions issue into closed venues, one chain and one distributor at a time; DeFi’s best assets are scattered across chains, each locked where it was issued. Institutions will serve their own clients through their own channels. The opportunity is the open, everyday user side: the place where assets from either side can be accessed, held, combined and moved across chains by anyone with a wallet. That is the Hub’s job, in both directions.

We said then that issuance, distribution, and access were where to start. Since then, the work has been testing that. This is what that work surfaced. It is not the roadmap.

The opportunity: three frictions nobody has removed properly

  • Issuing is expensive and confining. An issuer picks one chain and one venue; every additional chain is a wrapped copy with its own liquidity and risk, usually provided by bridge partners that add friction, limits, fees, and wrapping. The largest tokenized fund took about eight months to reach six chains, each a separate share class. Compliance is repeated at every door, and tokenizers bind each asset to one distributor’s catalog. Result: tokenized real-world assets cover roughly a third of a normal portfolio, mostly large stocks and government bonds; whole asset classes retail uses every day have no onchain version.

  • Access is gated and fragmented. Most institutional tokenized assets require a full identity check just to hold (one leading issuer asks for a EUR 500k portfolio or $1M net worth), and outside the US, EEA and Switzerland there is no lawful local offer from anyone. There are some interesting no-KYC onchain products, but they force you onto one chain and are not equally liquid. Onchain, the yields that stand out from a market compressed to four or five percent are each imprisoned: reinsurance on Ethereum in one pool, GPU financing on Arbitrum with 30-day exits, reinsurance on Solana with monthly-gated redemption, receivables vaults that are KYC-only with no secondary market. Moving between them is the problem. In August we tested the routes: one issuer’s bridge moved $450k a day per asset per direction, shared by all users, in about 20 minutes; another cost roughly ten percent on a $30 transfer and sent us to Discord for size; every path forced a swap, and more. The same move over IBC cost under one percent all-in, with no cap.

  • Nothing is programmable across all of it. Yield attracts capital once the asset can be used: USDe went from zero to $10B and syrupUSDC to $1B in five months once they could be posted as collateral. Tokenized securities cannot be used that way anywhere, and nobody can combine a tokenized fund with an on-chain lending position, non-custodially, into one instrument a holder can carry to any chain. Those with securities machinery cannot run open products; those with open vault infrastructure cannot touch securities; neither owns rails without a bridge vendor in the middle.

The leading idea

It is the product idea the validation work has surfaced as the strongest answer to the three frictions above, and it stays on the table alongside other options until it is validated enough to commit to. We are sharing it now because the roadmap will be better if the ideas are argued in public before they are decided, and because we want to know which parts of it you would use, build on, or run, as in many cases it will require new kinds of participation.

If assets from both sides can be issued onto the Hub or reached over IBC, two things become possible that are not possible anywhere else:

  • Issuance and distribution. An asset is issued once on the Hub and reaches every connected chain from day one, as the same asset rather than a wrapped copy, with no swap, no cap, and no operator holding keys. For an issuer: one register, one policy, every venue. For a holder: from whatever chain you are on, you ask for the asset; it is minted on the Hub and delivered over IBC, and when you are done, it goes back and is retired. No pool to find, no swap, no liquidity to hunt for chain by chain, so small tickets are not eaten by fees and large ones are not blocked by shallow pools. Because anyone can mint and redeem at the asset’s value, the market keeps the price honest for free. That is the difference between an asset that is distributed and one that is merely bridged. The same rail brings on-chain yield from any connected chain to the Hub.

    • For example: let’s say you are on Ethereum, and you want an asset the Hub distributes. You request it from the wallet you already use (e.g., metamask). It is minted on the Hub at its value and arrives as the same asset, not a wrapped copy, with no bridge interface, no pool to find, and no cap on size. When you are done, you redeem it the same way.
  • Orchestration. With assets from both worlds running over the same rail, the Hub can turn them into baskets, indices, and vaults that hold positions across several chains and pay a blended yield through one token, exported anywhere IBC goes to be held, traded, or used as collateral. A token holding reinsurance, GPU-financing and receivables yield from three chains cannot be self-assembled anywhere today. Over time, creating such products could open to vetted curators, so the Hub becomes the place assets get composed rather than the party choosing them. This is uncovered territory, at scale, and it benefits from the same issuance rails.

    • For example: a single Hub-issued index token that holds, in set proportions, a reinsurance position on Ethereum, a GPU-financing position on Arbitrum, and staked ATOM on the Hub. The token does not rebase; its redemption rate rises as the basket earns, the way a liquid staking token does. You hold it, trade it, or post it as collateral on any IBC-connected chain.

Around these sit different support features: accounting and pricing across chains, an access path that checks identity once at the edge, and non-custodial orchestration on the chains where assets live.

Why we like it.

  • Real fee space, because distribution and liquidity are the expensive parts of this market, and better rails leave more of the fee as margin.

  • It builds on what exists: Eureka as the rail, Skip as the coordinator, the Hub’s role as the ecosystem’s router, the enterprise pillar’s work with institutions. It creates roles for the community: validators as operators of the pricing and relaying of these needs at scale, community capital as the liquidity that makes issuance and redemption fast, curation by the ecosystem’s own managers and protocols.

  • And it sits on top of the tokenomics work rather than fighting it: Phase 2 includes a place for Hub revenue to go and a way for issuance to respond to it, so a product like this can plug into ATOM’s economics without changing them; if it does not win, they are not materially affected.

Also interesting, not leading today as single-handed products.

  • Canonical distribution alone. Moving existing tokenized assets over Eureka because it is cheaper, safer and more composable than the bridges issuers use today. This is real, and it is why IBC wins on cost. But on its own it does not beat an issuer who subsidizes its own liquidity on every chain, and single-issuer distribution is becoming a common pattern on institutional ledgers, so by itself it is not a differentiator. An important piece of the puzzle, and part of the rails above, but probably not the whole product.

  • Direct issuance of institution-grade assets by the Hub itself. Tokenized funds, deposits, and securities issued on the Hub under our own program rather than someone else’s. This is where the vision ends up for us, and it is the version of issuance with the most fee space. TradFi and DeFi assets need to meet for interesting things to happen. But it also needs a regulated legal setup that takes months to stand up and has to be right the first time, which is why it is not where we would start, and why the onchain assets side steps would come first.

One way it could sequence

If the ideas hold, they can be built in an order where each step is a self-contained product that stands on its own, and each one adds a piece the next step needs, so the sequence compounds toward the bigger vision:

  1. Rails first. Issuance, distribution over IBC, accounting and pricing across chains, the any-chain no-KYC access path. The most validated part and the foundation for the rest.

  2. First Hub-built products, on the DeFi side, reachable today without waiting on TradFi counterparties or regulatory structures. The candidates are a few indices at different risk levels, possibly one including ATOM staking. Those yields exist today, scattered; nowhere can a holder get them as one diversified token. Aggregation would be a product to be issued/distributed over the rail. What you would see: a small number of Hub-issued indices at different risk levels, from blue-chip onchain lending yield to newer sources like reinsurance and private credit, each a single token you can hold anywhere IBC reaches

  3. Traditional-finance assets on the same rails. First tokenized stocks, funds, and bonds from specialized tokenizers who hold the underlying and handle compliance once, at issuance, so a security issued on one chain is not stranded there. Later, products issued by institutions themselves, on their own timelines. What you would see: a tokenized bond or equity fund from a specialized tokenizer, issued once, reachable from a Cosmos wallet or DEX without a second identity check, and usable as collateral where protocols accept it

  4. Products that need both sides. Baskets holding a tokenized fund next to onchain yield, built by vetted curators on the Hub’s infrastructure. By the time institutional products arrive, the Hub should already be the place their onchain distribution works. We would have a working product to sell them. What you would see: baskets built by vetted curators, for example a tokenized treasury fund paired with onchain credit yield, with a protocol fee to the Hub and a curator fee to the manager

Traditional-finance assets wait on two slow things: the legal structure we need before issuing or distributing regulated assets, and the institutions’ own approvals before their products reach a customer. DeFi-side assets need neither and can be reached today. So we can start there, use that time to build the rails the regulated side will need, and nothing built early would be wasted.

What could still change this, and what defines the shape of the roadmap:

None of this is a roadmap. Any piece can be invalidated or need a setup the Hub or the ecosystem cannot operate under; if so we adapt or drop it, and say so.

What decides it:

  • legal, which structure and jurisdiction, for whom, and what curators may do;

  • technical, how the Hub verifies assets on other chains, which sets architecture and audit scope, and which connections beyond Ethereum are ready;

  • Hub safety, nothing that comes to the Hub may widen its attack surface, and after this September we will take the time to be confident in the structure before anything touches it;

  • cost, what each step costs to build, audit and operate, and what it earns;

  • demand, whether people want this, which is partly what this post is for and if Hub participants would like to be involved in this and find it exciting

We only talk about products we can stand behind, and we only pursue products that meaningfully improve ATOM’s utility. Ideas that fail either test do not make the roadmap, however interesting they are.

The answers to these validation workstreams decide what makes the roadmap and in what order; other options stay open until they do. The roadmap goes through review with the ICF before it is final, and after two months of incidents, getting there will take us a bit more time and the buy-in of the people who run and secure the Hub as we committed to getting feedback early on ideas:

Where the Hub community fits

The roles we see, and want to test with you:

  • Validators as the operators of the pricing, accounting, and relaying that assets held across chains require. That is new fee-earning work for the active set, and the set’s security model is what makes the Hub a credible home for these assets in the first place

  • Cosmos protocols and asset managers as curators of baskets built on the Hub’s infrastructure, under a published methodology and a curator fee

  • Ecosystem venues and DEXs as the places these assets are held, traded, and used as collateral. New opportunities will be created for DEXs to help serve RFQs and host inventory for new and interesting assets. Cosmos users and ATOM holders will also hold an expanded role here as liquidity providers and traders of those assets.

Individuals and organizations who are interested in any of these opportunities should stay tuned on the forums for more details. For validators specifically, make sure you’re joining our monthly validator calls. When these updates are more defined, we plan to share them there.

Where we want your input.

  • Which of the three frictions have you hit yourself, and where does our description miss?

  • What matters more to you: the Hub as where assets are issued and distributed, or where products are built on top of them? Would you prefer the Hub to stay minimal or single-focus, or would we be open to more features coming in?

  • If you run a validator, protocol or fund: is there a role here you would want (pricing, relaying, liquidity, curation)?

  • Which onchain yields or traditional assets would you have reachable through the Hub first?

Reply on the thread for more details rather than responding in telegram. We will address a lot of the replies here directly! We will fold what we hear into the validation work and report back.


CosmWasm Vulnerability: No Funds Were Lost, and Two Private Security Patches Mitigated and Then Fixed It

On Monday, September 28, the CosmWasm team published CWA-2026-006, the public advisory for the vulnerability behind September’s two emergency Hub upgrades after conducting a safe private disclosure period, and that period expiring. We explain what the vulnerability was, how it affected the Hub, and what happened in the weeks between the first notification and the two public patches.

The short version first: the vulnerability was not exploited on the Hub or on any other chain we are aware of, and the vast majority of the CosmWasm ecosystem has mitigated it. The Hub is fully patched as of September 21. Everything below is the account of how that happened.

What the vulnerability was

The advisory describes a sandbox escape in the Wasmer Singlepass compiler, the component wasmvm uses to run CosmWasm contracts. A code generation flaw made it possible for a specially crafted WebAssembly contract to break out of the execution boundary and run native instructions inside the node process. In practice, that meant an attacker could mint tokens (including ATOM) without authorization, and the resulting balances would be indistinguishable from ordinary ones and would survive a node restart.

Exploiting it required storing and instantiating an attacker-controlled contract on the chain. On permissionless CosmWasm chains, no governance approval or privileged access was needed. The issue was rated critical with potential for fund loss.

How it affected the Hub

The Cosmos Hub runs CosmWasm, and the versions of wasmd and wasmvm in production on the Hub were within the affected range. The Hub was exposed but not exploited, and because the same flaw affected every CosmWasm chain, the fix had to be coordinated under a disclosure embargo so that no chain would be left exposed by another chain’s patch becoming public.

That embargo is the reason both Hub patches shipped as private releases with binaries only. Publishing the source for either patch would have disclosed the vulnerability to anyone reading the diff while other chains were still unpatched.

The timeline

  • August 18. The vulnerability was reported to the CosmWasm team

  • September 3. Affected chains, including the Hub, were notified privately, along with an interim mitigation. A full fix was not yet available

  • First week of September: Gaia v28.1.0, the mitigation. Hub validators coordinated an emergency upgrade to apply an interim mitigation, restricting the ability to upload and instantiate new contracts on the Hub, which is the path an attacker would have needed. This was the fastest way to take the exploit off the table before a full fix existed. 179 of 180 active validators upgraded

  • September 16. The private full patch was distributed to affected chains, followed by an updated version addressing a separate liveness bug found during testing

  • September 17 to 21: Gaia v28.2.0, the full fix. The Hub’s full-fix release ran through the Cosmos Hub testnet on September 17 and went to mainnet through Proposal 1055, an expedited 72-hour governance vote. The upgrade executed at height 33,073,000 on Monday, September 21, upgrading the Hub’s wasmvm to the patched version and lifting the interim restrictions

  • September 28. Public disclosure and public patch release from CosmWasm, closing the embargo. By the time the advisory went public, the vast majority of CosmWasm chains had already mitigated or fully patched, which is the outcome a coordinated disclosure is designed to produce. No exploitation has been reported on any chain

One related note: the v28.3.0 binary used to restart the Hub after the Neutron incident on September 23 was also cut as a private release, for the same reason. Nothing in the diff between v28.2.0 and v28.3.0 was sensitive, but publishing the source would have meant publishing the source for v28.1.0 and v28.2.0, which were still under embargo at the time.

All three binaries are now available to build from source here:

v28.1.1 : Release v28.1.1 · cosmos/gaia · GitHub
v28.2.1 : Release v28.2.1 · cosmos/gaia · GitHub
v28.3.1 : Release v28.3.1 · cosmos/gaia · GitHub

What we changed because of it

We covered the process changes in the validator call two weeks ago: every Hub binary now ships with a checksum and GPG signature the moment it is published; the validator contact database has been rebuilt so upgrade notifications reach the full active set; and a cross-chain security council is being formed so that triage and disclosure decisions on shared-code vulnerabilities are made with broader ecosystem representation. Node operators who want email-based upgrade notifications can send their validator name, operator address, and operations contact to nodes@cosmoslabs.io.

Thank you to the Hadron Labs and Cosmos SDK teams for the coordinated disclosure, to the Cosmos Labs Ecosystem team that cut and tested both releases, and to every validator, exchange, and node operator who upgraded twice on short notice.


Tokenomics: Gauntlet’s Phase 2 Recommendations Are in Review, and a Wrap-Up Post With the Full Report and a Timeline Is Next

Phase 1 of the ATOM tokenomics research with Gauntlet was about measurement: how ATOM moves, why, and when, across 16 stakeholder cohorts and 10 activity types, and what that means for issuance and sell pressure. Phase 2 is about design: what the Hub could change in response.

Gauntlet has begun sharing some Phase 2 recommendations, and we’re actively reviewing and giving them feedback now. Phase 2 focuses on proposing and designing new tokenomic mechanisms/tweaks that address the findings of Phase 1.

At a high level, the Phase 2 recommendations respond to the findings:

  • The Hub pays more for security than it needs to. The research indicates the Hub is paying more in issuance than its security requires, which means part of today’s inflation is a subsidy rather than a security requirement. Phase 2 proposes a framework for adjusting issuance parameters against a defined security floor and in response to revenue. Meaning, designing a path where the Hub issues less and replaces that issuance with revenue distribution

  • Staking rewards are the largest and most liquid source of sell pressure. Rewards are paid continuously and can be sold immediately, and Phase 1 traced a meaningful share of outflows back to them. Phase 2 proposes new incentive designs that reward longer-term staking over immediate liquidation

  • The Hub has no place for revenue to go. As the products above start generating fees, the Hub needs a mechanism to receive, hold, and direct those fees into the network’s reward lifecycle. Phase 2 takes this into account as well.

One caveat. We are deliberately not sharing specific numbers or full mechanisms this week. The recommendations are still in revision, and we would rather present the full brief, document, and presentations with Gauntlet so that non-final work doesn’t get taken out of context.

What comes next:

  • A Phase 1 and Phase 2 wrap-up post on the forum. A post is coming soon that lays out every issue the research surfaced, attaches Gauntlet’s report, and sets out the sequence and timeline for addressing them. We expect that the implementation of each tokenomic change in response to each issue will be handled as an individual proposal on its own timeline, rather than bundled into one omnibus proposal

  • A tokenomics dashboard goes public with the report. The ATOM tokenomics dashboard the ecosystem team has been building will be published alongside the wrap-up post, so that anyone can check the findings against the data

We will begin working on these together with the Quarterly update, as of next week. We plan to bundle this and any major updates to the roadmap into the next quarterly.


Neutron Recovery: The Postmortem Is Live, and Neutron’s Recovery Plan for the 1,227,121 ATOM Held by the Hub Multisig Is Now on the Forum

Two updates since last week’s recap of the Neutron governance attack and the Hub’s response.

Neutron’s postmortem is published. Neutron’s maintainers released their full postmortem of the attack on Tuesday, September 29. It covers the governance exploit itself, the drained protocols, and the network’s relaunch with new mitigations in place. Our own Hub-side recap on the forum, covering the halt, the restart on v28.3.0, and the recovery multisig, has been updated to link to it. Read both together for the complete picture.

The recovery plan proposal is on the forum. The Hub-side recap set out three requirements before the ATOM held by the validator multisig moves anywhere: Neutron’s network is stable, Neutron’s teams have a recovery plan with evidence of losses, and Hub governance passes a proposal authorizing the multisig signers to transfer the funds. The first is complete: Neutron resumed operations on September 25 with protections against a repeat attack. The second landed on Wednesday, September 30, when Solva, the team leading the Neutron relaunch, posted the recovery plan proposal for discussion. The third, the Hub governance vote, is what that thread leads to.

What the proposal contains:

  • The accounting of losses. The attacker drained 1,723,180 ATOM across three contracts on Neutron: the Drop dATOM converter, the Drop withdrawal manager, and the Astroport ATOM/dATOM pool. Of that, roughly 665,000 ATOM was sold. The 1,227,121 ATOM in the Hub multisig is the recoverable remainder

  • The destination. A Neutron recovery multisig at neutron1yr29fd7uzdjp2jsq8hrta8mvyd6ex7vumn0shy, with signers from 01node, Stake&Relax, Polkachu, Newt Node, and Solva

  • The Hub proposal. A text proposal authorizing the six Hub multisig signers to send the balance, minus fees, to the Neutron recovery multisig as a standard ICS-20 transfer over channel-569, with a 1 ATOM test transfer first, and the transaction hashes, IBC acknowledgements, and final balances published back to the thread

  • The return on Neutron. Once the ATOM arrives, a Neutron governance proposal returns all recovered funds to the original contracts on their restored code and original admins, so that users withdraw through the Drop and Astroport interfaces they used before

The multisig signers have committed to holding the funds until Hub governance gives them a mandate, and to moving them only on that mandate. Discussions are expected to run for a week in the forum before any action is taken to governance by the involved parties.


That’s all for this week - thanks to everyone engaging across the forum, validator channels, and Telegram. Looking forward to next week’s update! Please let us know if you like the Weekly format, and what else you’d like to hear from us.

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1. Which of the three frictions have you hit yourself?

The biggest one for me is fragmented access and liquidity.

As an ATOM holder, I see assets, yields and DeFi opportunities scattered across different chains, with bridges, swaps and fragmented liquidity.

The Hub should make this complexity invisible to the user: one asset, one liquidity layer, accessible across IBC.

2. What matters more: issuance/distribution or building products on top?

Both. I don’t think the Hub should remain minimal or single-purpose.

I see the Hub as the economic center and routing layer of Cosmos: a place where assets can be issued and distributed, but also where products can be built on top of them.

Eureka + Skip + IBC + liquidity can make the Hub much more than a security chain.

Infrastructure such as Skip should also have a clear path to monetize the activity it facilitates, with part of that economic value ultimately accruing to the Hub.

The objective should be to capture economic value at the Hub level and translate that into ATOM utility and sustainable revenue.

4. Which onchain yields or traditional assets would you want first?

I would start with assets and yields that already have strong demand:

BTC

USDC / stablecoin yield

Tokenized T-Bills / bonds

RWA / private credit

Onchain DeFi yields

ATOM staking

Then combine them into simple Hub-native products such as vaults, indices and baskets. The Hub Unit should work closely with the Hydro team to build a unified platform where these products and services can all be accessed in one place.

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And sorry, but these questions were asked years ago. The time for this kind of discussion is over. We are now in the era of execution and delivery. And once that era is over, it will be too late for the Cosmos Hub.

So we really need to move fast. We are still at the stage of “waiting for a roadmap,” when honestly, that should have been the very first thing to establish when taking the position, and that was two years ago.

You announce bits and pieces of the roadmap privately, for example around things like privacy, and then around one month later, competing chains launch the product.

At this point, speed matters. The Hub needs to move from discussing what it could build to actually delivering it and doing so before the market has already moved on.

Where are we with the dual-VM? Where are we with the DEX? Where are we with IBC connectivity to Solana, L2s, and all the other things that have been promised to us for the past two years?

These are the things we should be talking about now: what has actually been delivered, what is currently being built, and what is the timeline for the rest.

Bon week end :slight_smile:

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The fact we don’t have anything on EVM yet is especially infuriating let alone the DEX considering it was boolean choice. Personally I rotated to Injective. Right now cosmos hub is just NFTs all thanks to Stargaze. I recommend people rotate to Injective, Solana, ethereum, chainlink or whatever the fuck offers something more useful other than NFTs and muh governance and what other shit.

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Injective is basically the vision the Hub should have been pursuing, two years ahead, or at the very least, delivering without the delays we have seen from the Hub.

The Hub should take inspiration from Injective and catch up on the fundamentals, or risk becoming irrelevant. CL had an enormous amount of potential in its hands, and at this point, it is extremely frustrating to see so many of the opportunities and hopes that the broader Cosmos community had placed in it go to waste.

As long as there is no clear and credible roadmap, I will continue to sell my ATOM for Injective. And I would encourage ATOM holders not to remain anchored to the ideas we had in the past, as I have done myself for too long.

We should be looking forward and focusing on what the Hub needs to become, and today, Injective is a very clear example of that direction.

CL and ICF are increasingly losing support from the community, whether because of their lack of delivery or because people simply no longer see a reason to keep supporting them. At this stage, that loss of support is understandable.

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I hope Injective will be smart enough to take inspiration from Eureka, deploy IBC solutions across other ecosystems (oopss alreafy fone with cardano), and leverage some of CL’s ideas to reach new markets quickly and efficiently.

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@Guinch_Roze, thanks for the answers; honestly, the most useful post in the thread! That is exactly what we asked for. Your answers also line up pretty well with what the validation work found: fragmented access and liquidity are the two in the post, and your asset list (BTC, stablecoin yield, T-bills, private credit, onchain yields, ATOM staking) is basically our candidate list for the first Hub indices. Noted on Hydro too; the curator role in the post is where a team like that fits. With a product frame to work with, it’s easier for builders to think about how to plug in. I’m pumped for that. Would love to hear from them here.

On the other points, going in order.

Dual VM. We shared this in public, but we don’t want to put stuff on the Hub until we need it. Generally, validators agreed that VM on the Hub was the way over a side-chain; but atm the products we are describing- the rails (issuance, distribution over IBC, cross-chain accounting and pricing, the access path) and the first products (indices, baskets) can be built as modules and IBC work. We can build them straight into the Hub, same way everything on the Hub was built, no general-purpose VM needed. That’s faster, too, than adding a new VM. We don’t want the overhead until we need it, and tbh - in what we are describing above, all the fee upside is in issuance and redemption rather than trading (that usually goes where the user is). So we’re not rushed to push it, and be in a scenario where we need to deal with a dual attack surface: 6 vs 18 decimals migrations/adaptations, and account migrations.

DEX. Same as above, the model in the post doesn’t need a pool to distribute an asset: anyone could mint/redeem via RFQ. A Hub orderbook becomes more important in the stage where we unlock the TradFi assets, or if we start focusing more on trading assets over yield. Initially, if this wins, the asset meets trading where it is. Getting the assets out there is more beneficial for the Hub.

Us finding a path to ship w/o these being a dependency on day 1, MVP, PoC, is in line with us trying to get plans in place that go to market quickly and more efficiently. Shipping things without a purpose is against that, adding more work/maintenance before it’s worth it. Both pieces matter, but there’s definitely a “when” that can help us move faster when they are not needed yet.

On speed and “where’s the roadmap.” When we reset in July, we agreed with this community, on the calls and in #11, that the Hub moves in validated steps rather than one more big bet, and that the roadmap gets argued in public before we get to. We are keeping it honest when we have delays, and we keep it honest when we are excited about something. We’re gonna respect that and not just wing it or throw promises out, and continue to build with the folks in the network who want to participate. That’s what this post also kicks off. So bring that on, or give room for folks to do that!

And if the answer to every Hub question is another chain, that chain has a forum too, one tab over. This one’s for the Hub.

For folks in the Hub, I’d love to hear from Hydro, validators, SG, and others about what you think!

I said it above, but what I am pumped about with these ideas is that it gives a pretty clear boundary for what can be built around the Hub if it becomes an asset issuer/orchestrator. We’re gonna need folks creating interesting combinations with the assets, getting them integrated into lending or other collateral options. There’s gonna be gaps to solve in inventory for the assets issued so that they can move faster.

The phrase “we don’t want to put staff on the Hub until we need it” is THE huge red flag and it goes directly contrary to what ICF/CL promised the community two years ago when you took over. I think it’s pretty clear the community just wants absolutely no more delays. Come on, do you not agree we are two years overdue and it’s absolutely ridiculous that we are STILL in the exploration phase? Building the roadmap in public is NOT your excuse for the continued delays and no progress. We should at least be asking concrete technical questions and calculating how much revenue the Hub will have instead of looking at a wall of text listing this and that CAN be done. We should at least have the infrastructure to build on the Hub instead of dealing with security incidents every single week. How many months do we expect until one single working product, and what will ATOM price be at that time? Just get your acts together or be honest, admit the Hub isn’t a priority, and let someone more capable take over.

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And on the actual roadmap, the current version is just too vague and handwavy to even give feedbacks on, and frankly just an AI-assisted wall of text that is hard to read. Give us at least a concrete product idea, how it relates to ATOM and what types of yields it can generate, then whoever that’s left of the “community” can start making calculations. It’s not like the constant delays help with soliciting feedbacks either, and no one appreciates the “honestly” on the delays, so PLEASE get moving.

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Thanks for the feedback @ATOM-Renaissance! To share a couple of quick thoughts:

What specifically about the roadmap update feels “vague and handwavy” to you? What would you like to see fleshed out in more detail? Remember that this is not a final roadmap. This is just the latest update.

Nothing about soliciting feedback is causing any delays in the product work. We’re running both processes in parallel. There’s no reason not to solicit feedback at this stage, and previously we received extremely negative feedback about not sharing updates as we get them, so we plan to continue sharing updates publicly and transparently as they come through.

As far as what the roadmap looked like two years ago, we’ve explained on numerous occasions why that idea was discontinued. You can read more about it here Cosmos Quarterly #1 Q2-26 - Three Pillars, Three Teams . It’s neither valuable nor productive to continue to rehash the same complaint here over and over again. We prefer to look forward than to constantly look backwards, it’s healthier.

As far as the delays and speed to market, we’re working on bringing the minimum viable product to market as quickly as we can, and adding additional superfluous things to the hub that don’t drive that goal will only add more delays. We will not, however, rush a product to the market that we don’t believe in. That timeline is what it is. We’ve told people at many stages of this product that building anything meaningful on the Hub will take time. We’re reaffirming that here.

We already do! Remember, the Hub is a permissionless development environment and if there are other products that you want to see on a shorter timeline (a DEX, etc) you’re free to build them!

I see you’ve already built a liquid staking protocol for ATOM, so I know you’re familiar with Hub development! Be the change you want to see!

As a technical team we want to see more concrete product designs and at least back-of-the-envelop revenue calculations to give feedbacks on. The current update is still far from that. The proposed pain points are real, the ideas are good, but it’s hard to see a product vision from it. I think you might get more feedback if the product idea was more fleshed out than what is presented here.

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I appreciate this response, and I agree! Even hearing from you that the pain points are valid and the core concepts are good is valuable feedback, so it’s greatly appreciated!

We’ve got a ways to go, but I will say that I don’t think we’re as far off as you might think. Hoping to be able to share something much more concrete soon (though you’re right in that I don’t have an exact date yet, which would be more helpful here, working on this!)

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Thanks for the update. On the tokenomics side, one point caught my attention: “The Hub has no place for revenue to go.”

Back in January I proposed a mechanism that addresses exactly this, and also the “issue less, replace issuance with revenue” direction: Tokenomic: Revenue-Linked Inflation

In short:

  • An x/revenue module as the entry point for revenue. Protocol fees (issuance/redemption, curator fees from the products described above) and voluntary contributions from ecosystem partners go into a revenue pool and are streamed block by block to stakers. Everything is on-chain and queryable.
  • Governance sets a security budget, not an inflation rate. Each block, x/mint only mints the gap between real revenue and the target, within a governance-defined cap. As revenue grows, inflation goes down automatically, down to zero.
  • Compatible with the feemarket burn. The burn is neutral while the target isn’t reached, and becomes deflationary once it is.

This seems very close to what Phase 2 describes: a security floor, issuance that responds to revenue, and a place for revenue to go. The module spec and parameters are already written in the post, so it could serve as a concrete starting point.

Two things it doesn’t cover yet, which Gauntlet’s findings point to:

  1. Rewarding long-term staking. Today the model distributes revenue uniformly to stakers. Distribution could be weighted by staking duration to reduce immediate sell pressure.
  2. Multi-denom revenue. If products generate fees in USDC or other assets while the target is in ATOM, computing the gap needs a price source (oracle).
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