Proposal: Migrate Stargaze, Its Applications, and Collections to the Cosmos Hub

I like the change to the bonus structure based on fees, and NFT collection migration. That builds in a safety net for Cosmos Hub. While this is an improvement to the initial proposal, it does raises some concerns and questions:

  • With 8 people in the team, this means $10.2k a month per person (75k*12 + 85k from milestones divided by 8) to migrate the code over. Even for direct hires that’s a very high salary, and in this case Cosmos Hub doesn’t even own the product but just incentivizes migration.

    You could technically hire a couple of CW devs, build the same platform, incentivize the NFT collections to migrate over with money and have your own thing.

  • There is no quality assurance built in. Stargaze team has complete freedom and can move at their own pace, because they will get paid anyway. There’s no failsafe, so it’s purely based on trust.

  • NFT Volume has been declining, not just for Stargaze but the entire market, and will continue to do so unless there is a clear plan or use-case on how to improve that. There is a plan missing for that. How do we / the team, prevent that from happening and what are their goals?

  • Migrating Stargaze over sounds nice on paper, but will result in very little new brand awareness for Cosmos Hub. The NFT collections and users already know Cosmos hub, will still operate in their isolated island (stargaze platform) and will bring little additional value to the entire ecosystem. It needs to be part of a broader plan, and fit into the Cosmos Hub roadmap, for this to work successfully.

  • $STARS needs either 1) additional utility or 2) be removed completely and use $ATOM as only asset. If the $STARS token only acts as fun/cultural token, we might as well just write it off, else it’s just going to be a slow and painful death for that one which creates negativity, which will in turn be connected to the Cosmos Hub brand and seen as failed project or smth. Best would be to be able to convert it into $ATOM at some conversion rate.

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As a community member, this proposal genuinely feels like a win for everyone across the Cosmos ecosystem. Stargaze has been the cultural heartbeat of Cosmos for yearss, onboarding creators, empowering collectors, and giving every chain a place to express its identity. Bringing that energy directly to the Hub doesn’t just strengthen ATOM utility, it strengthens the entire community.

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Thank you for your comments and engaging with the proposal. We appreciate the constructive tone and the openness to seeing Stargaze on the Hub as a win for both communities. Of course, we hope to gain your support. I recognize the give and take in the current market, and glad you also acknowledge the current proposal is much more reasonable and represents a 90% reduction from the previous ask. I’m confident we could make this a success and a win for both Cosmos and Stargaze communities.

You mentioned that migrations themselves do not hold value for the Hub. In practice, the reason this conversation is even happening is because of the value represented by the applications, creators, collections, and users that would be joining the Hub. The traction on this thread, with some of the highest engagement on the forum in the past year with comments and views, shows Stargaze still carries meaningful cultural and community weight.

The setup and planning phase will also be larger than expected. We are undertaking something that has never been done before, and the goal is to spark and grow activity through this migration. Additionally, this is not a standard integration like deploying an outpost. Stargaze would be fully shutting down its application layer on the Stargaze chain. That level of commitment goes far beyond a simple deployment and reflects real alignment with the Hub’s interests.

On exclusivity, we want to be clear about expectations. We cannot guarantee that all trading activity will live exclusively on the Hub forever. Interoperability and sovereignty are core Cosmos values, and many collections already have activity on Osmosis, Neutron, and Terra, trading on other marketplaces from other teams. These flows still benefit Cosmos through IBC fees, and a healthy ecosystem will always have some level of multi-chain exposure. That said, we are committed to making the Hub the primary home for all IBC NFT trading and Stargaze the go-to marketplace in Cosmos.

I propose a few adjustments to your funding plan to reflect my comments above, but overall support it. I’ve edited the main post to reflect this.

Milestone Description Amount (USDC)
1 Initial setup and technical planning 100,000
2 Launchpad and Studio migration 100,000
3 Marketplace migration 100,000
4 Name Service migration 75,000
5 NFT collection migration 100,000 (all collections)
6 Strategic Migration Commitment 75,000 per month for one year, distributed quarterly
7 Bonus bucket 125,000

Total 1,500,000

Let’s make this happen for all of Cosmos.

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We need to change the payment from $USDC to $STARS. This will motivate the team not to screw everything up again.
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NWV. The payments in this are absolutely wild.

If this goes through I will be unstaking and selling absolutely everything I have in the Cosmos.

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To those here reading this:

Mark my words. Paying this much for this will be the final deathblow to $ATOM.

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I don’t understand how we can be talking in USDC and not in vested-staked-ATOM (except for a reasonable % to pay for IT and normal salaries along the way).

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First things first, I want to say that I’m in favor of bringing Stargaze and its collections to the Hub under Replicated Security. I’m hoping it increases more activity, more IBC volume, more fees long-term, which is good for everyone.

HOWEVER $1.5 M in USDC is a non-starter.

The Hub community is the one taking the risk here. If the migration underperforms or deadlines slip, we’re the ones left holding the bag.

Paying in USDC removes all downside for the Stargaze team and gives them zero incentive to deliver fast or exceed expectations.

I FIND THESE TERMS TO BE ACCEPTABLE:

  1. Funding exclusively in STARS (or a STARS/ATOM mix) you eat your own cooking and stay aligned with your token holders.

  2. Clawback clauses baked into the milestones:

• 100% refundable if any milestone is missed by >30 days

• Pro-rata repayment if 6-month post-migration metrics (TVL, volume, active collections) are <50% of projections

Cap total funding at $500k equivalent (or lower; multiple teams have already offered to do it cheaper).

Do this and the proposal has my Yes and quite possibly the Yes of many others.

Keep the USDC demand and it’s a hard NO, and a lot of us will be unstaking and walking away.

The Hub has the security and the liquidity. Stargaze needs us more than we need a 2022 NFT chain. Let’s negotiate like adults.

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Fully agree with every word.

Stargaze isn’t migrating because it’s thriving, it’s migrating because it’s dying. A successful chain doesn’t need the Hub to bail it out with $1.5 million USDC of our community pool money.

Paying in guaranteed, stable USDC while we take all the downside risk is the definition of a one-sided. If they truly believe this migration will revive Stargaze and benefit the Hub, they should be paid exclusively in STARS, that means, skin in the game, which is the same as every staker here.

just to reiterate, there are teams who have already offered to do the exact same work for $100k–$300k. This isn’t a negotiation; it feels like a cash-grab on a 2022 relic that most of the market has moved on from.

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I really appreciate the work that @Ruwan has done compressing the most important parts of Shane’s original proposal into a simpler and more accessible proposal. IMO, this merge makes a ton of sense, the price is well thought out and appears to be agreeable both on the SG side and on the Cosmos Labs side, which is incredibly encouraging.

Stargaze leaving the Cosmos would be a genuine tragedy. The Cosmos Hub continuing on with no core application in 2025 is a bit ridiculous. It is also very easy to imagine synergies between Cosmos Lab’s institutional focus and a team that is masterful at NFTs on the Cosmos stack. While these haven’t been explored fully in this prop, I think assuming that they wouldn’t be (1) possible and (2) powerful for both parties would be an oversight.

Much respect to both teams - as a long time ATOM holder and Stargaze enthusiast, this prop will certainly get my “YES“ vote.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

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Let’s be real: Stargaze’s app-chain “model no longer making economic sense” is code for “it’s failing.” If the product is “one of the most used in Cosmos,” why the bailout? 3,800 collections sound big, but 90%+ are dead (floors near zero, no trades). 130K monthly txns is ~4,300/day, that’s nothing more than a rounding error for the Hub, and most are low-value NFT mints, not fee-generators.

The “fully built” marketplace, launchpad, and tools are nice, but the Hub already has CosmWasm (v25 upgrades enable it) and Token Factory coming Q4, we can build our own for pennies compared to $1.5M. “Cosmos’ largest cultural community” is a tiny pond (~5K active users max) in a niche that’s dead in 2025. And “ATOM becoming the default minting and trading token” is meaningless without exclusivity; your own post says you can’t guarantee it, so volume leaks multi-chain anyway.

The Hub gains scraps via IBC fees, while you handle “maintenance” but get no-risk USDC? That’s not “alignment” that’s us subsidizing a 2022 relic with zero downside for you.

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I am in general in favor of Stargaze moving to the the Hub.
However, I like Mag’s suggestion and numbers way better, if you are not willing to accept that third of the payment comes from the fees generated by NFT trading on the Hub - it tells me you don’t believe it is likely to happen (or?).
Since funds are to be paid from the CP - we as community have the right to know how exactly the money will be spent. You mentioned a team of 8 people - could you break down their roles and how much each of them will get from the requested amount and for which amount of work?

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Montagu from Citadel One here,

Disclaimer: Citadel One is a validator on both the Cosmos Hub and Stargaze.

→ The ask: $1.5M

→ In return, $ATOM becomes the default minting & trading activity

I respect the Stargaze team and I’m a big fan of the products they built and having them on the Hub makes sense but not under these conditions.

If the proposal moves on-chain, Citadel One will vote No. Our reasoning: we don’t see a significant upside for the Hub, especially with ATOM at an all-time low and a Hub roadmap that is not DeFi-focused, with the current terms:

→ The total of the ask is marked for migration and setup costs.

→ Absence of any vesting & unlocks tied to growth/ performance KPIs

→ No exclusivity & long-term commitment from Stargaze to the Hub

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Let me reiterate, I hate everything about this.

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Hello, this is Joe K., aka cortlandt, the creator of Bad Kids. I’m writing this to show my support for the proposal, but also to try to reach some of the undecided or no voters.

Stargaze is asking for a lot of money, yes. Is it fair? I don’t know. It’s a mature marketplace with an active community. I don’t think 1.5 million is excessive.

I’m seeing people talk about how Stargaze’s revenue is bad, and this doesn’t make financial sense. I’m sure there’s some truth there, but this sort of thing shouldn’t be looked at strictly as a business decision. A bank brings in way more money that a theater. But I wouldn’t want to live in a city with 99 banks and no theaters. Right now we’re living in a city of banks.

There’s value in having a marketplace for digital goods right on the Hub. Yeah, it’s mostly community-based NFT collections right now, but having Stargaze on the hub will expand the capabilities at the core of Cosmos. It’s future-proofing for the day when these digital goods might include game items or property deeds.

But let’s focus on what Stargaze already does in its current form: it’s a reliable platform that allows anyone to launch an NFT collection easily and cheaply. This is a powerful tool for community building, but also for digital artists to get their work in front of a global audience.

NFTs might not be the insane hype machine they once were (which is probably for the best), but in the greater crypto world, there’s still a lively community of artists creating original works and collectors engaging with them. And there’s still money. Last month, an XCOPY NFT sold for over 3 million USD (about 2 Stargaze migrations).

Attracting talent is a slow process, but it’ll be easier to court both artists and patrons with an NFT marketplace that is accessible via a single transaction from a centralized exchange, just like it is on Ethereum or Solana. If these folks stick around, they will eventually learn about the beauty of IBC. One step at a time.

Maybe you don’t care about digital art. That’s fine, but artists bring cultural cachet in a way that’s unique and hard to quantify. We could use more of that.

Finally, if you vote no, are the funds better off sitting unspent in the community pool? I’ve seen a lot of concern about the current state of Cosmos. The Stargaze team wants to stay, wants to build, wants to make Cosmos better. I get that this is not the kind of proposal we should take lightly. It’s an imperfect solution, but it deserves consideration. This is a time to take action and build something. It will pay off in the long run.

And if it doesn’t, I’ll draw a picture of the Stargaze team fleeing the country in the lambos they blew the money on. Then I’ll get some rich person to buy the drawing for 1.5 million and use the money to reimburse the community pool. Problem solved!

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Tricky from Cosmos Spaces here.

First off, I want to thank you Ruwan for pushing this discussion forward and trying to find a structure that works for both sides. I know you are holding a lot of pressure on the Stargaze side and still doing your best to make something workable for the Hub.

With that said, I think the structure you are proposing is going to get a clear NO vote from a large portion of stakeholders. Like have said, migrations by themselves are not worth very much, especially with the current state Stargaze is in. The way this is written puts most of the value on moving over existing products without any accountability or guarantees that the team will continue driving demand or improving the product after the move. The team still even keeps a lot of potential value by keeping the STARS token alive instead of just killing it like it should.

A structure closer to @Mag’s suggestion makes much more sense. It ties payments to the delivery of real value instead of putting all the risk on the Hub upfront. The team is already funded for a full year of maintenance work, which will naturally cover a lot of the migration costs. That makes smaller bonuses for actually completing integrations and shipping visible deliverables would be more aligned and more reasonable. The current setup front loads rewards for the team while giving the Hub very little assurance that anything beyond basic integrations will ever be delivered.

Just being fully transparent, I don’t think $1.5M makes sense for a migration of a declining product that has no guaranteed future development. The only reason I still think this is worth considering at all is because of the synergies of having an NFT marketplace that already serves a lot of the Cosmos Hub community. If the price is not inflated and if incentives are aligned properly, there is a potential win-win here. But we all have to be honest about what is going on and be realistic. NFT marketplaces are on a downtrend across the entire industry and resurrections are extremely rare. The Stargaze team would not be pursuing a deal like this if they had other viable options. In reality this is a lifeboat for both the team and the product. And I say that with all the respect in the world for the people involved. You have built a real product and you are good people, and that is one of the few reasons I would still support giving this a chance if the terms make sense.

But based on how the structure is written right now versus Mag’s alternative, we would vote NO, and I believe many others will as well. To have any chance of passing, Mag’s payout structure is the bare minimum. There also needs to be performance expectations, timeline clarity, and a clear clause that allows payments to be canceled if milestones are not met. Without that, this is simply not responsible governance for the Hub.

Putting on my director level business hat here, it feels like this is being rushed because the Stargaze team needs an urgent solution. There is not enough consideration of what actually makes sense for the Hub or what its stakeholders will support. It is natural that your perspective is biased because this is your baby and you understandably want it to survive, but the Hub has all the leverage in this situation whether anyone likes that or not. That reality has to be considered and can’t be ignored or downplayed.

Being fully honest, there is no meaningful revenue expected for the Hub here. This is not some big business expansion for the Hub. This is about saving one of the best known products in the ecosystem. Even then, Stargaze is in decline like the rest of the NFT marketplaces, and nothing in this proposal lays out how the team plans to actually resurrect the product, improve usage, or grow fees in any credible way. With no guarantees on performance or timelines, this could easily turn into another round of needing funding just to deliver the core value this whole proposal depends on.

Mag’s structure is reasonable, achievable, and actually passable. What is being suggested right now is not. I hope you rework the proposal, even if that simply means adopting Mag’s approach 1:1. Otherwise I think you are making the chances of this passing much lower than they need to be.

We want Stargaze to succeed, but the path you choose here will decide whether this proposal survives contact with governance.

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I would vote YES if the proposal follows the same structure as Mag’s one, includes a budget of 35k per month for one year of maintenance, and implements a clawback mechanism if the objectives are not met.

What about:

  1. Full migration of Marketplace, Launchpad & Studio: $150k, 2/3 in $ATOM upon completion 1/3 USDC up front
  2. Migration of top 10 collections within 3 months of item 1: $5k, each in $ATOM
  3. Innovation sprint that is aligned with the strategic objectives laid out in the Cosmoverse 25 and project/product managed by the Hub: $150k USDC, 2/3 milestone based distribution
  4. Drop the name service migration for now, reassess after innovation sprint

The total outlay is much reduced from the ask, $350k vs $1.5m. Ideally the innovation sprint leads to new growth and revenue opportunities, allows the Hub to advance strategic priorities and leverages a technical team that has proven they can deliver. If new opportunities materialize the team can keep up the velocity.

The team is great. Yes, SG was anchored to NFTs and thus subject to the hype cycle around it. This means that the outcome we are seeing, an NFT-dedicated app chain was always going to be down bad eventually.

This is a wonderful and thoughtful response - nothing short of what I’d expect from the baddest of the bad :heart:

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This x10000000000000000