Outbid franchise on the Hub

On behalf of the PRO Delegators’ validator and the Govmos team, we would like to express our strong support for exploring this potential partnership. At the very least, we would fully back a signaling phase with a positive vote on the validator.

We also encourage the community to consider the broader implications of this venture. With the upcoming conclusion of AADAO services, we strongly advocate for the swift establishment of a new grant DAO. This is essential to maintain the critical role of grants in the Hub’s ecosystem and to prevent direct allocations from the community pool without proper review and oversight mechanisms.

At Govmos, we firmly believe that DAOs are indispensable for specific services such as grants and fundraising, just as financial risk management and liquidity planning are for Hydro. In this context, we see a valuable synergy emerging from a grant committee overseeing a community-driven bidding mechanism to allocate funds to the most impactful projects. This would effectively parallel Hydro’s decentralized liquidity allocation system, with Outbid functioning as the equivalent bidding protocol for strategic community grants.

In line with this vision, we recommend the formation of a grant committee tasked with monitoring, whitelisting, securing, and overseeing the Outbid system. This committee should be modeled after the Hydro committee structure, where skilled and vetted individuals ensure effective and transparent operations. Drawing lessons from AADAO’s shortcomings, particularly its lack of oversight and misaligned hierarchical structure, we believe this approach could provide the stability and efficiency needed to build upon its legacy.

To that end, we propose extending @ericontokenomics’ initiative to include the establishment of this specialized grant committee. Members should be carefully selected based on their expertise in grant reviewing, monitoring, and strategic allocation. The community should first define the core competencies required, followed by a proposal to nominate and elect suitable committee members.

While this proposal develops, we reiterate our warm support for the current initiative and express optimism that it signals a step in the right direction for reforming grant allocation and fundraising processes. These areas demand a decentralized framework, yet also require skilled individuals to ensure success. Outbid presents a promising foundation for this system, provided it is coupled with a robust oversight structure inspired by Hydro’s proven model.


We eagerly welcome community feedback on this proposition and remain open to challenges and alternative perspectives to refine and optimize this vision. Should the community align with our suggestion for a grant committee, we propose creating a parallel forum discussion to formalize this idea, ensuring both topics progress in tandem.


Thank you for your time and consideration.
Govmos.
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Just to answer this objection, Hub minimalism is a failed experiment, if ATOM is to succeed it needs to provide value besides being a staking token with infinite inflation.

Supportive of this and agree with Syed’s points that in the interim Outbid team would have to do some of the BD/marketing needed for this.

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Thank you for your thoughts and support.

I personally agree. Elected and capable stewards that operate transparently are vital to the success of any DAO, and yes, such a DAO of capable stewards should operate Outbid.

We plan to move forward with the prop as is (barring significant negative feedback and asked changes), but let it be known that our full intent is to support and facilitate operational authority to whomever the Hub sees fit.

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We encourage you not to rush this proposal or dismiss some of the negative feedback received. Instead, we recommend conducting a more thorough technical review of the protocol you aim to deliver. While we have examined the materials provided, we believe additional technical documentation detailing the protocol’s functionality and mechanics is essential for us to make an informed decision.

Your system indeed introduces intriguing mechanics, some of which are outlined in the shared content. However, a comprehensive technical document would allow us to fully understand the underlying functionality and operational details. We look forward to reviewing such documentation before casting a vote in favor of this protocol—or any other competing proposal that may be presented to the Hub.

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fair enough.

Context though, our team is heads-down building a lot of stuff. We’re probably not going to jump through a ton of hoops, as we’re not asking for any money to deploy. That kinda stuff could absolutely be worked out whenever it was time to pass over the franchise, at which time we would expect payment.

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Couldn’t agree more. If people want a minimalist, do-nothing Hub, go sit around and compound your stake on AtomeOne.

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Demo 2, on Neutron Testnet!

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Please define “succeed” @luisqa. If this term solely means “number go up LFG,” then theres a slight chance of empathizing with where you may be coming from.

The Cosmos Hub, being minimal, was intentionally designed to be “boring,” by focusing on providing security to other soverign zones (Hub and Spokes model). Simply put, these zones flourish, then provide and accrue value back to the Hub, and ATOM stakers, through shared revenue.

Thus, arguably, Hub minimalism is not a “failed experiment,” rather relatively early in its process.

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Dear Eric and the Cosmos Community,

It is essential that we take constructive measures to assume responsibility for the infrastructure that can steer Cosmos back towards the dynamic momentum it once exemplified.

At Aloha Biotech, we hold deep trust and respect for Eric’s proven leadership and the security inherent in his accomplishments with Astrovault and Outbid. This represents a remarkable opportunity to align shared values and Atomic resources to catalyze deal flow through Outbid, unlocking the incredible potential of $ATOM.

In light of the challenges posed by those who undermined the chain’s reputation, Eric has emerged as a key figure in restoring trust and stability. His contributions underscore the importance of investing in this infrastructure.

Aloha Biotech fully supports Eric and will be committing our time and resources to procuring memorable deal flow. With a decentralized approach at the core of our vision, this strategy aligns perfectly with what we seek in a partner like Outbid.

Best,
Aloha Biotech

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I have worked for these guys and found them dishonest. I really would not give them 1 dime (or Atom). I’m saying this non-anonymously, feel free to reach out for any questions.

The verbal agreement thing is also shady.

and @CuriousJ comments are also concerning.

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sorry but no with veto, i dont see how this will bring value to the atom holders.
tokenomics are just mediocre and focused on the protocol itself

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For context, yes, William runs Webisoft, a rent-a-dev company we had employed a long time ago to get Outbid built on Solana while our core team builds more in Cosmos.

The build doesn’t work and isn’t done professionally, and now we need to hire more in house to start over.

He wants money for work not rendered.

I argue that velocity and opportunity is value for a token, but understand.

Just curious, why would this be a ‘Veto’ rather than a ‘No’ for you?

My opinions are my own and do not reflect where I currently work.

Astrovault hired multiple developpers and multiple developpers had to quit due to toxic behaviors on astrovault side.

They then deleted every text from discord and telegram and ran away without paying the developpers.

I would avoid working with them.

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is this a product focused on atom or is it only being redeployed without any changes?

that’s the key question

It’s meant to be unique for ATOM with a unique UI, brand, url, etc.