[Proposal ##][DRAFT] Acquisition and Merger of Osmosis into the Cosmos Hub aka COSMOSIS

The Cosmos Labs team has been thoroughly in the loop here btw!

And yes, every item you mention did take place (Including flying out to NYC).

I agree that all stakeholders in the Cosmos need to put the best foot foward, and I think that will be the case even as we are disagreeing on forum here. Today (literally) I was chatting with 2 of the Cosmos Labs team members to brainstorm growth pursuits IF the proposal does pass.

So, while we may disagree on the proposal, we will ultimately work together and get things done should it pass.

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OSMO was dumping because of OGP, who was using funds totaly irrational (thanx to @RoboMcGobo who now in the Cosmos Labs)

Also, if @RoboMcGobo in Cosmos Labs, and Cosmos Labs don’t support proposal, it means that there is no place for @RoboMcGobo in OGP.
I don’t want to say that McGobo is a traitor, but this kind of behavior is called betrayal all over the world.

Also, if we will look at real stats, Osmosis is real Cosmos Hub

Just in the last 30D, Osmosis made 3 times more IBC-transfers than Cosmos Hub, and more over, most of Cosmos Hub IBC-transfers are with Osmosis

Osmosis has more IBC-relayers than Cosmos Hub

IBC-volume of Osmosis is 6 time bigger than IBC-volume of Cosmos Hub

If you are looking at “real activity” (commits, PRs, and feature releases) over the last year, Osmosis often appears more “active” because it operates like a high-growth tech startup.

Metric Osmosis-Labs (osmosis) Cosmos Hub (gaia)
Commit Volume ~850+ commits. Extremely high daily turnover, often multiple updates per day. ~120-150 commits. Periodic, concentrated bursts focused on major governance milestones.
Monthly Active Devs High (~15-20 core). A dedicated, centralized team that behaves like a product company. Moderate (~5-8 core). Many Hub developers actually work in upstream repos (SDK/IBC).
Issue/PR Turnover Fast. PRs are merged or closed rapidly to maintain the “Ship Fast” culture. Slower. Heavy scrutiny and longer review cycles; PRs may sit for weeks during auditing.
Repo Health 170+ Open Issues (High engagement). 30-50 Open Issues (Minimalist maintenance).

So, all people, who love Cosmos Hub for tech, need to love Osmosis more!
Osmosis wins for three key reasons:

1. The “Monorepo” Advantage

Osmosis uses a “full-stack” approach. While the Cosmos Hub tries to be as “lean” as possible (minimalism for security), Osmosis pulls everything into its primary repo:

  • Custom SDK Forks: They don’t wait for official Cosmos SDK releases; they fork it and build the features they need now.

  • Feature Density: Concentrated liquidity, fee abstraction, and automated strategy modules are all built directly into the state machine.

2. Experimental Rigor

Osmosis acts as the “R&D Lab” for the entire ecosystem. Their GitHub activity reflects constant experimentation with BlockSTM (parallel execution) and IAVLX (storage optimization). While the Hub is debating a feature, Osmosis has often already written the code, tested it on a devnet, and shipped it to production.

3. Proactive Technical Support

The Osmosis repo is notably more responsive to external contributors. Their “Good First Issues” are updated frequently, and their test-tube (Rust-based testing) framework is one of the most active pieces of developer tooling in the Interchain, attracting a wider range of developers than the Hub’s specialized Go-centric environment.


And all we have from Cosmos Labs, it’s trying to use 70% of community pool for Hydro, to pay the Hydro team (that is affilated by ICF and Cosmos Labs) - 150,000$ per month!!!

And if they tried to spent 70% of CP on Hydro, it’s a surprize why they don’t want to spend 100% on Osmosis

Osmosis is 100 times more valuable than Hydro, if not in 1000

But any way, while Cosmos Labs are "managing” Cosmos Hub, all we can see is a falling of ATOM price, exodus of all valuable projects from the Ecosystem, and totaly ignoring of ATOM-stakers interests, so not depends, will this proposal pass or not - it will not save the Cosmos Hub. With Cosmos Labs and ICF - Cosmos Hub has no chances

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What is the plan if the proposal doesn’t pass?
And why weren’t any of these growth initiatives attempted over the last 2 years?

I’m really just looking for a stable environment to deploy & was hoping that would be Osmosis so waking up to this is great.

Cosmos needs to have onchain liquidity for its core assets or IBC is dead. The Hub needs to play a central role in the onchain liquidity.

  1. TVL narrowly matters on Osmosis. Probably only for BTC, stables, and related assets. But if we can’t migrate BTC liquidity to the Cosmos Hub, the deal is probably worth a lot less. This needs to be incorporated into the deal structuring.

  2. Non-discriminatory liquidity is dying. PropAMMs and intent market makers can discriminate and don’t have to provide liquidity to arb traders. ATOM/ATOM LSTs and TIA need an onchain venue with these properties.

  3. Osmosis was principally designed around long-tail asset price discovery, which we can assume is dead for at least the next 12 months.

  4. The Osmosis codebase will be a maintenance burden on the Hub. An intent-based solution would be simpler, cheaper, and lower overhead.

This all needs to be factored into the price.

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This proposal might have some legs if the grants team was removed from the involvement

It seems none from the Osmosis community has any idea who the folks involved are anymore, or what they do. There are zero updates in the past year. The website is outdated, including no new funding announcements at all, and they have closed any avenue to contact them. Zero reports on market making activities or any effort towards any sort of reporting at all, really.

The last proposal for the Grant program on Osmosis was meant to end at the beginning of January. They have been operating outside of their agreement with Osmosis governance since then - they posted a renewal discussion in December which received such poor feedback the body text was deleted and never addressed again, and a proposal was never put on chain. The post itself has now been made private (the link essentially 404’s)and feedback gone, but here is a copy of the text:

Osmosis Grants Program Renewal

Summary

We propose extending the Osmosis Grants Program (“OGP)” for a further 12 months, until January 8th, 2027.

There will be no major changes to the program. The program will continue its historical focus - aimed at funding Osmosis contributors, infrastructure partners, strategic partnerships, and more. Given market conditions, we will maintain a quality bar with regards to the grants funded.

The program will not request additional funding from the protocol treasury. It will utilize existing assets in the program treasury.

Program Details

The Osmosis Grants Program (“OGP”) was first launched on April 9th, 2022. With the current term ending January 08, 2026, we seek to renew the OGP for an additional 12 month term.

Historically, the OGP has funded a variety of grants, including ProtoRev (Skip), the incentives working group, IBC Rate Limit Improvements, Infrastructure partners like Fireblocks, and other community contributors (e.g. OSL).

Going forward, we expect to continue the funding aims of the program. The focus will be on contributors to Osmosis, community events, important infrastructure, and strategic projects.

The OGP has also worked with market-makers to increase orderbook depth and provide tighter spreads - this will continue.

Operational Details

Treasury

The current OGP treasury consists of approximately 4.47m OSMO and $1.3m in USDC. Those funds will continue to be managed by the multi-sig (more details on the multi-sig below).

The multi-sig will also engage in treasury management, which may include earning yield with a portion of funds.

Budget
The program will operate with an all-in-operational budget of $6,000 a month. This will cover all operations of the program, including grants approval, project management, working with the core Osmosis team, and the ongoing legal and operational maintenance of the program.

Multi-sig

The program will continue to operate with a multi-sig that approves all grants and payments. This consists of a group of trusted community members, validators, and contributors. The multi-sig is subject to change, with all changes being approved by the multi-sig committee.

Currently, the multi-sig consists of 1) Cosmostation, 2) Polkachu, 3) Figment Capital, 4) Reverie, and 5) Schultzie.

Tentative Timeline

On-Chain Proposal: December 16, 2025

Questions- Firstly, grants can please comment on the proposal deletion, as this was a big slap to the face of the Governance of the chain you are trying to be guardians for. This grants group is in charge of large amt of fund paid from the community members, and the osmo community deserve to hear what is happening and be allowed to give feedback without it being deleted and governing process ignored. This is incredibly important and relevant as grants is asking for way more trust, responsibility, and funds now than during these feedbacks.

But more specific to the merger proposal, can anyone elaborate on the current grants team and if this is suggesting a change to the current structure? If yes, would the 6 members indicated inside this thread have access to 5 million dollars of community funds? If not, who would be signing and what would distribution for these funds look like?

What are they currently spending funds on(including breakdowns for admin, funded projects, staff)? regarding teams that are currently being funded by grants, what does this mean for their respective contributions/funded projects should merging happen(Do they get cut off? Paid out?)? Why does the acquired grants team need 3 people for growth/marketing post-merger? Respectfully, if any worthwhile growth or marketing had been occurring in the past 2 years this merger proposal likely isnt needed, which brings the question why if marketing IS needed, this team would be the one in charge(This would be handled from the hub ..)

Can someone elaborate on what the folks assigned to infra/maintenance would actually be doing that couldn’t be handled by hub team post merge?

The post indicates treasury could be clawed back through Cosmos Hub governance after this merger – how does that work for things like the IP, which is indicated it would be transferred to grants ownership? What mechanisms would be in place that other assets would be returned if demanded by Hub governance?

The deleted proposal indicates the grants team desire to begin using funds to earn yield – Since they would have access to much larger amounts of funds were this to be adopted, this is quite concerning and should also be addressed.

If grants team is going to be handed essentially the keys to castle here, it would make sense to have a signaling proposal on the Osmosis chain that the community even still wants them operating first. Even then, were this proposal to go through this group would be better dissolved and re-set up from the hub side once the dust settles with maybe 2 people assigned for maintenance in the interim. These 5 million dollars could then be used towards alignment with the merger and boost a per token payout for the osmosis community. No mint would be required in this case and the Hub re-creating a group after the fact if its even needed removes all the other concerns.

If this is to be considered a real acquisition/merger it needs to be treated like one. Currently this is set up in a way that not only does nothing for the Osmosis community but seems harmful to the Hub overall as well.

Back when things were going well, this idea was raised and they simply laughed it off. Now that they are in serious trouble, they are asking to be rescued, just like Stargaze. So here we are again, facing yet another bailout. And once again, who is expected to pay? The Hub.

They had no issue presenting themselves as the center of the ecosystem, while at the same time competing directly with the Cosmos Hub and making it less important in the process. Of course, migrating Osmosis could finally give the Hub the central role it should probably have had from the beginning. But we should not forget that this “go-it-alone” approach clearly hurt the broader ecosystem.

I repeat again : they were happy to ignore the Hub when they felt strong. Now that they are failing, they want the Hub to step in and rescue them.

That is not vision. That is opportunism!!!

Do not forget that playing solo definitely had a negative impact on the whole ecosystem. And for that, you need to own it and pay the price.

Why not do it for free first? And if it works, then maybe we can start talking about what your OSMO token is worth.

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Went for a long walk and thought about all the massive contributions Osmosis has made to the interchain. I lead with trust, from a team who has proven themselves for years. Only a little bit mushy

but basically, I know some people have questions about details on migration and other things… but listen, if there’s a team that can and will pull it off, it’s them. :black_heart:

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  1. If the proposal DOES pass, you’d definitely have a stable environment to deploy and Osmosis would definitely work with you.
  2. If the proposal does not pass, we’ll have to figure that out afterwards. We fully intend to see this through so we are not spending out time on contingencies atm
  3. One of the main points I mention is leverage. The leverage and ability to grow adoption as a second order of effect . Each interaction requires one extra hop, one extra explanation.
    1. I was even having conversations with Stargaze and Mad Scientists on this… explaining “oh yeah so we have these NFTs in the Cosmos, but its not on the Cosmos Hub… it’s on this other chain called stargaze or osmosis that you have to IBC over from Cosmos Hub which is its own separate chain” etc etc etc. This is just one example, doing this across Stocks, RWAs, Tradfi institutions hopping in, or even the enterprise pursuits of the ICL currently. The DEX must sit at its highest schelling point.
    2. So while over the last 2 years you point at, we’ve spent quite a bit of time brainstorming or pursuing initiatives such as Polaris, Intents, Privacy, Multiple custom bridges, Market Makers, NFTs, unique DeFi primitives, Bitcoin (and other high cap assets). Osmosis has always been fighting an uphill battle (without weight to swing around, similar to how the solana foundation does, or how the ICL could… that weight is crucial)
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Only now do I start to fully understand what is happening in the Cosmos ecosystem. Looking at the current proposal and the overall direction, it feels like both Cosmos Hub and Osmosis are being poorly managed and are heading toward a very troubling outcome.

I now better understand why Jae Kwon decided to leave the Cosmos Hub. The principle of decentralization, which was supposed to be the foundation of Cosmos, is gradually being replaced by increasing centralization of decisions and consolidation of projects under a single governance structure. This raises serious concerns about the future of the ecosystem.

ATOM and OSMO were supposed to be pillars of a decentralized economy within Cosmos. Instead, it increasingly looks like their value is being undermined by governance decisions and a lack of a clear long-term strategy.

Personally, I feel disappointed. I believed in this vision, bought these tokens, and staked them with the expectation that resources would be used to genuinely develop the technology and strengthen the ecosystem. In hindsight, it feels like a large amount of capital has been wasted over the years or used in ways that did not create real value for token holders.

Fortunately, alternative initiatives are emerging. Projects like AtomOne and OasisDex may ultimately carry forward the original ideas that made Cosmos attractive in the first place - true decentralization and responsible governance.

I hope this discussion becomes a moment of reflection for the entire community.

From atom maximizing perspective, I’m generally supportive of closer integration between the cosmos hub and osmosis. If the goal is to strengthen atom as the core economic asset of the ecosystem, bringing liquidity, defi activity and security closer to the hub makes sense. That said, the details matter. Any merger should clearly increase value accrual to atom through fees, liquidity and shared security, without creating excessive dilution. If done correctly, this could help position atom as the economic center of the cosmos ecosystem​:crossed_fingers::atom_symbol::purple_heart:

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Hey folks, there have been a lot of misleading statements about the discussion between Cosmos Labs and the Osmosis team regarding a potential merger between the Cosmos Hub and the Osmosis chain, which I want to clarify. We take misleading information seriously, especially when being used as a weapon by the Osmosis team to achieve their desired outcome as they move on to new projects and hand Osmosis off to a maintenance team.

Context

The contention being made is that Cosmos Labs somehow misled the Osmosis team into believing that we would support their merger proposal in public, and then surprised them with a non-supportive response when the proposal went live. This is false.

Sunny and the team approached us in December with a proposal for an Osmosis-Hub merger, and we requested initial due diligence information, which they provided. This was a proposal between Osmosis and Labs, and involved different maintenance responsibilities and involvement from the team to the one that is on the forums today. We did not agree on any final terms and made clear that we could not support a proposal without presenting the idea to the ICF council. After presenting the high-level idea to the ICF, we definitively told the Osmosis team in February that we would not proceed or support it, as the cost and operational lift were deemed incompatible with our current priorities/vision. At this time, the proposal was not fully fleshed out, and we did not definitively agree on final pricing terms and other key details, as we disengaged prior to beginning work on a final decision document.

They decided to bring the proposal to the Hub without Labs as a party anyway, as is their right. Moreover, they did not ask for our feedback when they shared it with us less than 24 hours before posting it. So it should not be a surprise to them that we are still not supportive when the proposal went live on the forums.

What is happening in public

Ultimately, I see the attempt to paint our response as a “negotiating tactic” or “surprising” as a disappointing attempt to distract from the proposal itself and its weaknesses. We said no a year ago, a month ago, and we are still saying no. I know it is easier to take the path of drama and debate over past negotiations than actually absorb the feedback, iterate on the proposal, and move on. But my job is the boring one, doing the analysis, checking if it stands the test of time, and sharing hard feedback instead of just acting bullish and throwing money at things, no questions asked.

We have to ask: Is this structured in a way that can be executed successfully while maintaining accountability for all parties involved, with a strong supporting technical rationale? The Osmosis proposal must be held to the same level of scrutiny as the Stargaze proposal. Clear pricing rationale, clear accountability, and milestones for execution.

To be clear: we are not blocking this or even capable of blocking it because Cosmos Labs is not a party to this negotiation in the current proposal. We gave our feedback on the public proposal in the same way we did with Stargaze. It is entirely in Osmosis’s hands to take that feedback on board, iterate, or take it to chain as is. That is their call.

Reality Check

Back to the proposal itself, the factual basis for the Hub acquiring Osmosis at a cost of $22 million with no downside protection around migration is extremely weak. The proposal paints the merger as a savior of the Hub. I wish it could be, but I don’t see that. We have to grapple with the fact that the Osmosis DEX is not saving the OSMO token, and we don’t believe that it will save ATOM either.

The unfortunate fact is that Osmosis is on life support. Osmosis revenue is in decline, and there is no clear path for a migration to change that. In fact, the proposal transitions the DEX to a maintenance crew, allows all of the founders and team members to exit the project with liquid ATOM immediately, and completely offloads not only long-term risk but also short-term risks associated with the liquidity and technical migration onto ATOM tokenholders.

Ultimately, whether to take these risks is up to Cosmos Hub governance. We do not believe that it is in the Hub’s best interest to do so at $22 million, but in the event that the proposal does pass, we plan to support the migration as best we can.

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It’s mildly amusing seeing certain people use AI to argue against the very builders who helped make cosmos worth talking about in the first place.

I didn’t see much value in the stargaze proposal, but I fully support this idea! Of-course some alterations are needed. but this the first proposal in a long time, that actually makes sense, and worth pursuing. :purple_heart:

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Pleb here. So once you guys exit your osmo positions in the conversion do you still get paid through OGP too and get to milk us a little more over the next 6 years or how will the milking continue if this prop passes?

Team have built a profitable protocol with a P/E ratio of 5x. Forcing a merger at the market bottom based on a 30-day TWAP is nothing short of a ‘holder robbery.’ We must allow the protocol to navigate the upcoming bull cycle independently and realize its true valuation.

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