The "French Paradox" of the Hub: Moving from 'Cavalerie' to Real Economy / Le paradoxe français du Hub : Arrêtons la cavalerie

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​Je suis un investisseur de long terme, et en tant que Français, je regarde actuellement un film catastrophe que je connais par cœur. Le Cosmos Hub se comporte exactement comme la France.

​Nous fonctionnons sur un système de ‘cavalerie’ (une boucle de dette) : nous imprimons de nouveaux ATOM (inflation) pour payer la sécurité et les validateurs, en espérant qu’une croissance future miraculeuse sauvera le système. C’est exactement le modèle social français : subventionner le présent en détruisant la valeur future de la monnaie.

Le cœur du socialisme est beau dans son intention de partage, mais sans une économie pragmatique, le socialisme disparaîtra. Un réseau qui ne génère pas de profit réel ne peut pas subventionner indéfiniment ses acteurs. Si nous voulons que l’idéal de Cosmos survive, il doit d’abord être économiquement souverain et rentable. La générosité sans revenus, c’est de la charité ; la générosité avec des revenus, c’est un écosystème.

Mon but n’est pas de ‘devenir riche’ rapidement, mais de voir émerger un modèle viable sur le long terme. L’ATOM est actuellement déclassé par le marché parce qu’il est perçu comme un ‘actif mort’ : une infrastructure robuste mais incapable de capturer de la valeur.

​Il faut être clair : voter pour une inflation à 0% ne signifie pas la fin des rendements de staking. Au contraire, c’est le début du rendement réel. Un rendement de 5% payé par les revenus réels de la maintenance (Shared Security, frais IBC) sur une monnaie rare est bien plus puissant qu’un 15% dilué par une inflation à 14%. Dans un modèle sain, le rendement du staking devrait être le reflet opposé du ‘burn’ (la destruction de jetons).

​Ne nous trompons pas : l’avance technologique de Cosmos est réelle, mais elle n’est pas un bouclier éternel. Tout ce que nous avons bâti peut être copié demain par un protocole beaucoup moins ‘socialiste’ et beaucoup plus agressif. L’excellence technique sans efficacité économique n’est qu’un cadeau fait à nos futurs concurrents.

​Je sais que nos visions divergent, mais cette polarisation politique nous paralyse alors que le marché, lui, n’attend pas. Nous ne réglerons rien si chacun campe sur ses positions. Seul un chemin de concessions mutuelles — où nous acceptons de réduire drastiquement l’inflation en échange d’une redistribution réelle des revenus du Hub — nous permettra de sortir de cette impasse. Le compromis n’est pas une faiblesse, c’est le seul chemin vers notre renouveau.

Arrêtons le ‘Quoi qu’il en coûte’. Construisons une économie réelle pour que l’idéal de Cosmos ne devienne pas un simple musée technologique.

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​I am a long-term investor, and as a Frenchman, I am currently watching a disaster movie I already know by heart. The Cosmos Hub is behaving exactly like France.

​We are running a ‘Cavalerie’ system (a debt loop): we print new ATOM (inflation) to pay for security and validators, hoping that miraculous future growth will save the system. This is the exact French social model: subsidizing the present by destroying the future value of the currency.

The heart of socialism is beautiful in its intention of sharing, but without a pragmatic economy, socialism will disappear. A network that does not generate real profit cannot indefinitely subsidize its actors. If we want the Cosmos ideal to survive, it must first be economically sovereign and profitable. Generosity without income is charity; generosity with income is an ecosystem.

My goal is not ‘to get rich’ quickly, but to see a viable long-term model emerge. ATOM is currently being downgraded by the market because it is perceived as a ‘dead asset’: a robust infrastructure but unable to capture value.

​Let’s be clear: voting for 0% inflation does not mean the end of staking yields. On the contrary, it is the beginning of real yield. A 5% yield paid by real maintenance revenues (Shared Security, IBC fees) on a scarce currency is much more powerful than 15% diluted by 14% inflation. In a healthy model, staking yield should be the opposite reflection of the ‘burn’ (token destruction).

​Make no mistake: Cosmos’ technological lead is real, but it is not an eternal shield. Everything we have built can be copied tomorrow by a protocol that is much less ‘socialist’ and much more aggressive. Technical excellence without economic efficiency is just a gift to our future competitors.

​I know our visions differ, but this political polarization paralyzes us while the market does not wait. We will solve nothing if everyone stays in their camp. Only a path of mutual concessions—where we agree to drastically reduce inflation in exchange for a real redistribution of Hub revenues—will allow us to break this impasse. Compromise is not a weakness; it is the only path to our renewal.

Stop the ‘Whatever it takes’ (Quoi qu’il en coûte). Let’s build a real economy so that the Cosmos ideal does not become a mere technological museum.

Le débat est désormais ouvert / The debate is now open. J’invite chacun à partager son point de vue pour nous aider à sortir de cette impasse. Restons courtois et constructifs : l’objectif n’est pas d’avoir raison individuellement, mais de trouver une solution pour que le Hub survive collectivement.

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The diagnosis is right but the debate keeps stalling on a missing precondition: nobody knows what “real Hub revenue” actually looks like in numbers. You can’t vote to redistribute IBC fees if the data doesn’t exist in a queryable form.

The “cavalerie” loop you describe is partly a data problem. Inflation is visible and automatic. IBC fee revenue is invisible unless someone builds the tooling to surface it. As long as that asymmetry xists, governance will default to inflation because it’s the path of least resistance not because it’s better.

The Hub’s technological lead is real. But the author is right that it’s not eternal. What is harder to copy is the indexed history from genesis, the relayer relationships, the operational continuity.
The question is whether governance values that before competitors do.

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​C’est un excellent point, mais ne laissons pas la complexité technique masquer une équation comptable pourtant simple.

​Mathématiquement, le calcul est sans appel : Variation de la Supply - Inflation (Mint) = Burn.

​Même si le Mint est dynamique, il est connu par le protocole à chaque bloc. Si nous sommes capables de bâtir une infrastructure aussi sophistiquée que l’IBC, nous sommes forcément capables d’afficher cette soustraction en temps réel sur un tableau de bord.

​Le fond du problème que je soulève est là : tant que ce Burn (qui est le reflet direct de notre revenu réel) reste une donnée “fantôme”, la gouvernance choisira par défaut la solution de facilité : l’inflation. L’opacité actuelle n’est pas une fatalité technique, mais un frein à notre émancipation économique. On ne peut pas gérer une économie de marché sur des données invisibles.

​Ma question est donc la suivante : Qu’est-ce qui empêche aujourd’hui la mise en place d’un outil de mesure standardisé et public du Burn ? Est-ce un manque de ressources de développement, ou une réelle complexité liée à la structure modulaire de l’écosystème qui m’échapperait ?

​English Version

​That is an excellent point, but let’s not allow technical complexity to mask a straightforward accounting equation.

​Mathematically, the calculation is undeniable: Supply Variation - Inflation (Mint) = Burn.

​Even if the Mint is dynamic, it is known by the protocol at every block. If we are capable of building an infrastructure as sophisticated as IBC, we are surely capable of displaying this subtraction in real-time on a dashboard.

​The core of the problem I am raising is this: as long as this Burn (which is the direct reflection of our real income) remains “ghost data,” governance will default to the path of least resistance: inflation. The current opacity is not a technical fatality; it is a hurdle to our economic empowerment. You cannot manage a market economy on invisible data.

​My question is therefore the following: What is currently preventing the implementation of a standardized and public Burn measurement tool? Is it a lack of development resources, or a genuine complexity linked to the modular structure of the ecosystem that I might be overlooking?

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Your accounting equation is correct, and I’ll answer your question directly: the barrier is not fundamental technical complexity. It’s a coordination and incentive problem, which, imo are harder to solve.

Here’s what it looks like from someone building this infrastructure:

The mint side is solvable. x/mint parameters are on-chain at every block. With an archive node you can reconstruct cumulative emission from genesis. We already capture this in our Cosmos Hub indexer. Not hard.

The “burn” side is where the picture gets uncomfortable. On Ethereum, EIP-1559 created an explicit, formal burn event tied to fee revenue. On Cosmos Hub today, no such mechanism exists. Transaction fees are redistributed to validators and the community pool not destroyed. What actually gets burned currently? Slashed ATOM (small). Tokenfactory burns (trivial). IBC vouchers returned to source chains (not ATOM). Run your equation on Hub today and the result is roughly: burn ≈ 0. That’s not a measurement problem. That is the measurement.

So a burn dashboard would not reveal hidden complexity it would reveal, in undeniable real-time, exactly what you’re arguing: the Hub is running on monetary expansion because real revenue
mechanisms don’t yet exist. That number would force the conversation. I think that’s why it hasn’t been built.

What’s practically blocking it:

  • No formal aggregate burn event. You infer net supply change from block-level supply snapshots minus known mint. Requires archive node access and careful normalization.
  • Map of Zones tracked supply metrics and went dark. The institutional knowledge of how to maintain this disappeared with the infrastructure.
  • No economic incentive has been attached to maintaining it. The opacity is self-reinforcing: without the data, governance debates stay abstract; because they stay abstract, no one funds the tooling that would end the abstraction.

The IBC analytics infrastructure we’re building captures exactly these supply-level metrics. Mint/supply/net-change tracking is a natural extension of the same data pipeline not a separate project. But the more important question isn’t technical: it’s whether the Hub will build burn mechanisms worth measuring. Right now the honest dashboard shows burn ≈ 0. That’s a damning baseline. It’s also the only honest place to start the conversation you’re raising.

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​Je m’exprime avec passion car je crois au potentiel immense du Hub, mais nous devons aujourd’hui affronter des vérités inconfortables. Merci pour cette honnêteté brutale : c’est l’aveu le plus important de ce débat. Le Burn ≈ 0 n’est pas un problème de données, c’est un problème de survie.

​Si le tableau de bord n’existe pas, c’est parce qu’il révélerait que le Hub ne capture actuellement aucune valeur réelle. Nous sommes dans un déni politique où l’opacité sert de bouclier à l’inefficacité. La transparence n’est pas un luxe, c’est le gage de confiance ultime. Or, sans confiance, il n’y a pas de réseau. Un investisseur ne peut pas confier son capital à un système qui cache son bilan derrière une planche à billets.

​Cette “cavalerie” a une autre conséquence dramatique : la centralisation. Aujourd’hui, seuls les mastodontes du staking survivent grâce à la rente automatique de l’inflation. Les petits validateurs, pourtant garants de notre décentralisation, sont asphyxiés par un modèle qui subventionne la masse plutôt que la valeur ajoutée.

​Et ne nous y trompons pas : les grands validateurs seraient les premiers gagnants de cette transition. Il vaut mieux détenir une part d’un actif rare, valorisé et recherché par le marché, qu’une part massive d’un actif qui se dilue perpétuellement. En restaurant la confiance et la rareté, nous ne faisons pas que changer un modèle comptable, nous revalorisons le capital de chaque acteur de cet écosystème.

​Il est temps d’agir :

​Financer les outils de mesure pour rendre l’inflation et le burn visibles. C’est la base de la confiance.

​Implémenter un mécanisme de burn réel (type EIP-1559) pour que l’utilité du réseau profite aux détenteurs et aux validateurs, et non plus seulement à l’inflation.

​Sortons du mirage pour construire une économie réelle.

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​I am speaking with passion because I believe in the Hub’s immense potential, but we must face uncomfortable truths today. Thank you for this brutal honesty: it is the most critical takeaway of this debate. Burn ≈ 0 is not a data problem; it is a survival problem.

​The reason the dashboard doesn’t exist is that it would reveal the Hub is currently capturing zero real value. We are in a state of political denial where opacity shields inefficiency. Transparency is not a luxury; it is the ultimate guarantee of trust. And without trust, there is no network. An investor cannot entrust their capital to a system that hides its balance sheet behind a money printing press.

​This “cavalerie” has another dramatic consequence: centralization. Today, only the staking giants survive thanks to the automatic rent of inflation. Small validators, who are the guardians of our decentralization, are being suffocated by a model that subsidizes mass rather than added value.

​And let’s make no mistake: the large validators would be the first to benefit from this transition. It is far better to hold a share of a scarce, highly-valued asset that the market craves, than a massive share of an asset in perpetual dilution. By restoring trust and scarcity, we aren’t just changing an accounting model—we are revaluing the capital of every player in this ecosystem.

​It is time to act:

​Fund measurement tools to make inflation and burn visible. This is the foundation of trust.

​Implement a real burn mechanism (like EIP-1559) so that the network’s utility benefits holders and validators alike, rather than just inflation.

​Let’s move past the mirage and build a real economy.

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This is probably the most important structural point raised in this thread, and I want to build on it before it gets lost in the technical debate.

The centralization argument is not a side effect, it is the logical output of the current model. Inflation-as-reward is a subsidy that scales with stake. It does not discriminate between a validator who built a governance tool, ran a relayer, maintained a public archive node for years, or simply custodied tokens at scale. The validator who contributes the most does not earn more. The validator who stakes the most does.

What does that select for over time? Exactly what we are seeing.

On the EIP-1559 parallel I think the direction is correct, but worth one honest caveat: Ethereum’s burn mechanism works in part because it operates on meaningful fee volume. At current Cosmos Hub fee levels, even a full burn produces a rounding error relative to issuance. The mechanism is necessary but not sufficient without simultaneously growing the Hub’s utility, fee-generating activity, IBC volume, on-chain services that people actually pay to use. There was some type of proposal to implement a similar mechanism, but i dont know what happened to it.

This brings us back to the measurement problem. We cannot grow what we cannot see. A public, standardized dashboard for issuance versus fee revenue versus burn. Even if burn reads near zero today is not an embarrassment. It is a commitment. It tells the market: we are serious enough about our economics to publish the balance sheet. That act alone is a signal of institutional maturity.

As a smaller validator, we’ve been building toward exactly this kind of transparency. Not because the numbers are pretty right now, but because honest infrastructure is what earns trust over time. The mirage you’re describing is real. The antidote is measurement, not optimism.

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Nous sommes parfaitement alignés. Le fait que le burn des frais actuels ne soit qu’une “erreur de virgule” face à l’émission monétaire est précisément le signal d’alarme que je voulais déclencher.

​C’est là que réside le véritable changement de paradigme : tant que nous pourrons masquer l’absence de revenus réels par une inflation massive, personne n’aura l’urgence de construire des services à forte valeur ajoutée. Imposer un mécanisme de burn (même symbolique au début) et un tableau de bord transparent, c’est forcer le Hub à passer d’une économie de subvention à une économie de marché.

​Le dashboard n’est pas seulement un outil de mesure, c’est une boussole. Si le burn est proche de zéro, cela doit être affiché en grand pour que chaque proposition de gouvernance soit désormais jugée sur une seule question : “Est-ce que cela va enfin générer du revenu réel pour le réseau ?”.

​Cela soulève une question ultime : combien de temps un réseau peut-il maintenir cette déconnexion entre une inflation massive et un revenu réel quasi nul avant d’atteindre un point de rupture ? Si l’ATOM continue d’être utilisé uniquement pour payer une sécurité qui ne protège aucune valeur économique productive, nous risquons une érosion irréversible de la confiance.

​Pourtant, mon espoir reste intact. Cosmos possède la pile technologique la plus élégante et une communauté capable de résoudre les défis les plus complexes. Si nous avons le courage de confronter ces chiffres et de pivoter vers une discipline budgétaire réelle, le Hub retrouvera sa place de pilier économique. Nous avons l’infrastructure ; il ne nous manque plus que la rigueur pour en faire un actif de référence.

​Merci pour cet échange de haute tenue. Nous avons ici les bases d’un contrat de confiance renouvelé : Transparence, Mesure et Responsabilité.

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​We are perfectly aligned. The fact that burning current fees would only result in a “rounding error” compared to monetary issuance is precisely the alarm bell I intended to ring.

​This is where the true paradigm shift lies: as long as we can mask the lack of real revenue with massive inflation, no one will feel the urgency to build high-value services. Implementing a burn mechanism (even a symbolic one at first) and a transparent dashboard means forcing the Hub to transition from a subsidy economy to a market economy.

​The dashboard is not just a measurement tool; it is a compass. If the burn is near zero, it should be displayed prominently so that every governance proposal is henceforth judged on a single question: “Will this finally generate real revenue for the network?”.

​This raises one final question: how long can a network maintain this decoupling between massive inflation and nearly zero real revenue before hitting a breaking point? If ATOM continues to be used solely to pay for security that protects no real productive economic value, we risk an irreversible erosion of trust.

​Yet, my hope remains intact. Cosmos possesses the most elegant tech stack and a community capable of solving the most complex challenges. If we have the courage to confront these numbers and pivot toward real fiscal discipline, the Hub will reclaim its place as an economic pillar. We have the infrastructure; we only lack the rigor to turn it into a benchmark asset.

​Thank you for this high-level exchange. We have laid the groundwork here for a renewed contract of trust: Transparency, Measurement, and Accountability.

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@AtlasStaking hit the nail on the head regarding yield. Capital seeks returns, and lowering inflation from 15% to 4% risks turning ATOM into “just another coin” without a competitive edge. We need to keep investors incentivized to stay and lock their capital.

However, the solution isn’t cutting rewards; it’s aggressive, utility-driven burning.

Think about the economics: if we maintain a 15% yield to attract and retain investors like myself, but our utility engines burn the equivalent of 30% of the supply (as an aggressive target), we create massive, real scarcity. A rising price floor combined with a highly attractive 15% yield is the ultimate magnet for massive new capital and long-term staking. We shouldn’t fear inflation if we build a “Black Hole” for supply.

In fact, we can take this a step further: If the burn rate is exceptionally high during certain periods, we could temporarily increase the yield percentage even more. This would act as a strategic marketing event to capture a massive new wave of investors. Even if some of them are just temporary yield-farmers, a good portion will inevitably stay once they experience the ecosystem and the consistent returns.

To achieve this, I want to build upon the brilliant ideas shared in this forum:

  1. The Identity & Service Engine (@Guinch_Roze): The Atom Registry is a fundamental pillar. Turning identity and asset registration into a sovereign service with recurring fees that directly burn ATOM is the definition of “Value Capture.”

  2. The USDC Liquidity Station (@Guinch_Roze & @trevormil): Guinch’s vision of a native stablecoin protocol, refined by trevormil’s concept of a USDC Liquidity Station, is the missing link. By being the primary router for stablecoins and capturing tolls in USDC, we stabilize the treasury and fund the buy-back-and-burn machine.

  3. The “WordPress” Pipeline (@trevormil): Making it easy to launch apps via PoA pipelines, but ensuring they share revenue back to the Hub, turns us into a “Venture Studio” rather than just a research project.

  4. The Fiat Funnel (@Patrick): We must prioritize the wallet-less, fiat-to-crypto gateway. Frictionless onboarding is what brings fresh world-capital into our “Highways.”

Let’s stop focusing on cutting rewards to “save” the token. Let’s focus on monetizing the infrastructure. If we build the revenue engines to burn more than we print, that 15% APR becomes our greatest asset, not a liability.

Note: My apologies if I have misattributed any specific idea to the wrong person while linking them; I am pulling from memory across several deep threads, and I hope the core message of unity remains clear.

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​Merci pour cette contribution d’une immense valeur. La vision d’un “Trou Noir” économique — où l’utilité réelle brûle plus d’offre que l’inflation n’en crée — est conceptuellement parfaite. Si le Hub parvient à sur-monétiser ses services (Identity Registry, USDC Station, Venture Studio) pour surpasser l’émission, le TAEG de 15 % devient effectivement un aimant à capitaux irrésistible, et non un passif.

​Cependant, avant même de parler d’équilibre, la priorité absolue est de concevoir et d’activer ce “Trou Noir”. Nous devons mettre en place les fondations de cette capture de valeur dès aujourd’hui pour amorcer la trajectoire. Mais pour que cette vision devienne une stratégie et non un vœu pieux, nous devons confronter la taille du “Trou Noir” nécessaire à la réalité mathématique actuelle du Hub. Regardons les chiffres bruts de Mintscan aujourd’hui :

​Masse monétaire actuelle : ~508,69 millions d’ATOM.

​Inflation émise (Subvention de sécurité) : Fixée à 10,00 %, ce qui signifie que le protocole crée et distribue environ 4,23 millions de nouveaux ATOM chaque mois (soit plus de 141 000 ATOM par jour).

​Frais de transaction réels perçus (Revenu actuel) : Des miettes négligeables en comparaison.

​Nous devons aussi sortir du mythe du rendement nominal. Un TAEG de 15 % dans une économie qui se dilue de 10 % par an n’est pas un avantage concurrentiel durable pour retenir le capital à long terme ; c’est une illusion d’optique financière si le prix de l’actif sous-jacent est siphonné par la pression vendeuse de cette même inflation. Le vrai capital institutionnel recherche un rendement réel, adossé à une véritable capture de valeur.

​Pour que ce “Trou Noir” commence à stabiliser notre économie, ses moteurs de services ne doivent pas simplement générer du revenu : ils doivent être capables d’absorber et de détruire plus de 4,23 millions d’ATOM par mois juste pour atteindre le point d’équilibre (0 % de dilution réelle). Si nous voulons une combustion agressive de 30 % comme tu le suggères, la structure que nous construisons doit pouvoir engloutir près de 12 millions d’ATOM par mois.

​Le constat macroéconomique actuel est sans appel : le réseau subventionne sa sécurité à plus de 99,9 %. Si le Hub était une infrastructure traditionnelle, ses revenus d’exploitation ne couvriraient même pas une fraction des coûts de maintenance technique de ses serveurs. Pour l’instant, disons-le avec un peu d’ironie, nous allons droit dans le mur, mais nous y allons joyeusement en klaxonnant à coup de rendements attractifs.

​Je te rejoins totalement : la solution idéale n’est pas de couper les récompenses par peur, mais de monétiser agressivement l’infrastructure pour alimenter ce trou noir de combustion. Mais face à ces 4,23 millions d’ATOM imprimés chaque mois, l’urgence d’un dashboard transparent devient flagrante. Nous devons mesurer précisément l’efficacité de ce “Trou Noir” à mesure qu’on le déploie. Tant que nous n’aurons pas ce tableau de bord pour afficher en grand nos revenus réels face à la dilution, la gouvernance continuera de voter des dépenses sans la discipline budgétaire qu’exige la recherche d’un simple équilibre économique.

​Es-tu d’accord pour dire que le Dashboard est le premier outil indispensable pour piloter la mise en route et la puissance de ce “Trou Noir” ?

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​Thank you for this incredibly valuable contribution. The vision of an economic “Black Hole” — where real utility burns more supply than inflation creates — is conceptually perfect. If the Hub manages to over-monetize its services (Identity Registry, USDC Station, Venture Studio) to outpace issuance, a 15% APR effectively becomes an irresistible capital magnet rather than a liability.

​However, even before talking about equilibrium, the absolute priority is to design and activate this “Black Hole”. We must set the foundations for this value capture today to initiate the right trajectory. But for this vision to become a strategy and not just wishful thinking, we must confront the required size of this “Black Hole” with the current mathematical reality of the Hub. Let’s look at the raw numbers from Mintscan today:

​Current Supply: ~508.69 million ATOM.

​Monetary Issuance (Security Subsidy): Fixed at 10.00%, meaning the protocol mints and distributes roughly 4.23 million new ATOM every single month (over 141,000 ATOM per day).

​Real Transaction Fees Collected (Current Revenue): Negligible crumbs by comparison.

​We also need to move past the myth of nominal yield. A 15% APR in an economy diluting itself by 10% per year is not a sustainable competitive advantage to retain long-term capital; it is a financial optical illusion if the underlying asset price gets siphoned away by the selling pressure of that very inflation. Real institutional capital seeks real yield, backed by genuine value capture.

​For this “Black Hole” to begin stabilizing our economy, its service engines cannot just generate revenue; they must be able to absorb and destroy more than 4.23 million ATOM worth of value every month just to reach breaking-even point (0% real dilution). If we want an aggressive 30% burn as you suggest, the structure we build must be capable of engulfing nearly 12 million ATOM per month.

​The current macroeconomic reality is undeniable: the network is subsidizing its security at a rate of over 99.9%. If the Hub were a traditional infrastructure, its operational revenues wouldn’t even cover a fraction of its technical maintenance costs. To put it ironically, right now we are heading straight into a wall, but we are doing so joyfully, honking our horn with attractive yields.

​I completely agree with you: the ideal solution is not to cut rewards out of fear, but to aggressively monetize the infrastructure to feed this black hole of combustion. But in the face of those 4.23 million ATOM printed every month, the urgency for a transparent dashboard becomes blatantly obvious. We need to measure this “Black Hole’s” efficiency precisely as we deploy it. As long as we don’t have this dashboard prominently displaying our real revenues against dilution, governance will continue to vote for spending without the fiscal discipline required to reach basic economic sustainability.

​Would you agree that a Dashboard is the very first indispensable tool needed to steer the activation and power of this “Black Hole”?

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@Alex_Hub The math you just laid out is exactly why I am pushing for this. You are 100% correct about the “optical illusion” of nominal yield. Institutional capital sees right through it; they calculate the real yield (Nominal Yield - Dilution), and right now, the math is brutal.

To answer your closing question directly: Yes, absolutely. I completely agree.

You cannot manage what you cannot measure. If we are going to build a “Black Hole” capable of engulfing 4.23 million ATOM per month just to break even, we need a speedometer. Building these revenue engines without a transparent Dashboard is like flying a Boeing 747 in a storm without instruments.

The Dashboard is not just a measurement tool; it is the ultimate accountability mechanism for Governance. Every single spend proposal should be forced to look at that Dashboard first.

Therefore, the logical next step isn’t just to talk about the Dashboard, but to fund it. Perhaps the immediate action item from this “French Paradox” awakening is to draft a Governance Proposal specifically to fund a team to build this exact Real-Time Revenue vs. Dilution Dashboard. If we establish the measurement, the fiscal discipline will naturally follow.

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C’est un alignement parfait. L’image du Boeing 747 piloté sans instruments dans la tempête résume exactement le sentiment de beaucoup d’investisseurs aujourd’hui.

​Pour éviter tout amalgame, soyons bien clairs : nous ne nous plaçons pas ici en leader. Nous ne cherchons pas à diriger ce projet ni à nous approprier l’initiative, mais simplement à agir en tant que membres de la communauté désireux d’initier une dynamique collective et constructive.

​Puisque nous sommes d’accord sur le fait qu’on ne peut pas gérer ce qu’on ne peut pas mesurer, passons à l’action.

​Nous relevons le défi : l’étape suivante est effectivement de poser les bases d’une proposition de gouvernance claire pour financer et livrer ce Tableau de bord des revenus réels et de la dilution (Real-Time Revenue & Dilution Dashboard).

​Cependant, pour éviter que cette proposition ne devienne une énième usine à gaz ou un prétexte pour vider la trésorerie sans résultats, nous devons la structurer avec une discipline de fer. Avant de demander le moindre financement, nous devrions co-rédiger ici, sur ce forum, un cahier des charges minimal et non négociable.

​Pour commencer, ce dashboard devrait afficher trois métriques sacrées en temps réel sur sa page d’accueil :

​La vitesse de dilution : Le nombre d’ATOM émis par bloc/jour/mois face à la supply globale.

​La vitesse de combustion (Le Trou Noir) : Le nombre d’ATOM réellement détruits ou capturés par les services du Hub (USDC station, etc.).

​Le thermomètre du rendement réel : Le vrai taux d’intérêt (Yield nominal - Inflation), mis à jour en direct.

​Que pensez-vous de ces trois premiers piliers, et verriez-vous d’autres indicateurs indispensables à y ajouter ?

​Soyons très clairs sur les priorités : un tableau de bord sans “Trou Noir” pour l’alimenter ne servirait pas à grand-chose. Il ne ferait que mesurer notre déclin en temps réel. Le but ultime reste le développement des moteurs d’utilité que tu as mentionnés. Mais le Dashboard est la boussole indispensable pour piloter ce chantier et forcer la gouvernance à allouer les fonds là où les revenus et les burns se créent réellement.

​Certes, il y aura des tensions. La route sera semée d’embûches et les débats seront intenses. Mais c’est le début d’autre chose, de potentiellement beaucoup plus agréable pour l’écosystème. Nous sommes très certainement observés par des institutions majeures qui n’attendent qu’un seul signe dans cette direction — une transition vers une vraie maturité économique — pour déployer massivement leur capital.

​Si nous parvenons à unir la communauté et les validateurs autour de ces spécifications simples, nous aurons nos instruments de bord.

​Qui, parmi les développeurs, les équipes UI/UX ou les analystes de données présents sur ce forum, est prêt à nous rejoindre pour esquisser les contours techniques de cette proposition ? Commençons à poser les briques ici.

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​This is a perfect alignment. The image of flying a Boeing 747 through a storm without instruments perfectly sums up what many investors are feeling today.

​To avoid any misunderstanding, let’s be very clear: we are not positioning ourselves as leaders here. We are not trying to head this project or take ownership of the initiative; we are simply acting as community members who want to trigger a collaborative and constructive momentum.

​Since we completely agree that you cannot manage what you cannot measure, let’s turn this discussion into action.

​We accept the challenge: the next logical step is indeed to lay the groundwork for a clear governance proposal to fund and deliver this Real-Time Revenue & Dilution Dashboard.

​However, to prevent this proposal from becoming just another over-engineered money pit or an excuse to spend treasury funds without strict accountability, we must structure it with absolute discipline. Before asking for a single dollar of funding, we should co-draft a minimal, non-negotiable set of requirements right here on this forum.

​To keep it efficient, this dashboard must prominently display three sacred metrics in real-time on its homepage:

​The Dilution Speed: The exact number of ATOM minted per block/day/month relative to the total supply.

​The Burn Speed (The Black Hole): The actual number of ATOM destroyed or captured by the Hub’s core services (USDC station, etc.).

​The Real Yield Thermometer: The true net interest rate (Nominal Yield - Inflation), updated live.

​What are your thoughts on these three initial pillars, and do you see any other indispensable indicators that should be added?

​Let’s be absolutely clear about priorities: a dashboard without a “Black Hole” to feed it wouldn’t be worth much. It would do nothing more than measure our decline in real-time. The ultimate goal remains the development of the utility engines you mentioned. However, the Dashboard is the indispensable compass needed to steer this massive effort and force governance to allocate funds exactly where real revenue and burns are being generated.

​To be fair, there will be tensions. The road ahead will be filled with obstacles and fierce debates. But this is the beginning of something else, something potentially much more rewarding for the ecosystem. We are almost certainly being watched by major institutions that are waiting for exactly this kind of signal — a shift toward true economic maturity — before deploying massive amounts of capital.

​If we can unite the community and node operators around these simple specifications, we will finally have our flight instruments.

​Who among the developers, UI/UX designers, or data analysts on this forum is ready to join us in drafting the technical outline of this proposal? Let’s start building the foundations right here.

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@Alex_Hub Apologies for the delay in my response, but I had other pressing matters that required my attention. Please understand that I am not just active here; I have my own work and business obligations to attend to. Thank you for your patience.

The Boeing 747 is officially aligning with the runway.

Regarding the institutional approach, I want to add a nuance: we shouldn’t act like inflexible bureaucrats setting “non-negotiable” rules written in stone. Instead, we should view this as drafting an Economic Constitution for the Hub. The parameters can certainly be modified in the future, but only if the changes are extremely well-argued and backed by the consensus of everyone. And of course, establishing this constitutional baseline before asking the Community Pool for a single dollar is exactly the right way to build trust.

Your three initial pillars (Dilution Speed, Burn Speed, Real Yield Thermometer) are perfect. They form the core of this Constitution.

To answer your question about other indispensable indicators, I propose a fourth pillar that feeds directly into the “Burn Speed” to give it context:

4. The Revenue Heatmap (The Source of the Burn): > While the Burn Speed tells us the volume being destroyed, this heatmap tells us the origin. It is indispensable to track which specific utility engines (AtomRegistry, USDC routing, Consumer Chains, etc.) are actually working. This pillar must allow us to analyze two critical things:

  • What is working and why: So we can improve it, double down on it, or transfer that successful logic to other ideas.

  • What is NOT working and why: So we can openly discuss potential improvements or decide to pivot.

Bonus feature (The gamification of sound money): A simple progress bar showing the “Break-Even Horizon”. A visual tracker showing how close our Burn Speed is to matching the 4.23m ATOM monthly Dilution Speed. Watching that bar fill up as we deploy new services will become the ultimate rallying cry for the community.

You are absolutely right; major institutions are watching this transition. To any UI/UX designers, data indexers, or dev teams reading this exchange: this is your chance to build the most important screen in the Cosmos ecosystem. Who is stepping up to help us build the instruments?

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@Alex_Hub, following our conversation, I’ve put together a visual prototype of how the 4th Pillar (Revenue Heatmap) integrates with our “flight instruments.”

In this first capture, we can see the current reality: a -2.81M ATOM monthly deficit. While our utility engines (USDC, Registry, Tolls) are starting to provide lift, we are still only at 33.6% of the Break-Even Horizon.

This is exactly why we need the Economic Constitution. We cannot continue to fly blind. This dashboard allows the community to visualize which “business units” are actually performing and which ones need to be audited or improved to close that gap. This is the only way to transition ATOM into a sustainable institutional asset.

Capture 2: The Target State (Break-Even Horizon) The second image illustrates the goal of the Economic Constitution. By optimizing our utility engines—USDC routing, Registry fees, and Consumer Chain tolls—we can reach the 100.2% Break-Even Horizon. In this state, the deficit disappears, and the 0.01M surplus marks the transition of ATOM into a sustainable, data-backed asset.

The logic is simple: we cannot manage what we cannot measure. This dashboard shouldn’t just be a visual aid; it must be the mandatory accountability layer for every governance proposal. We need to stop guessing and start steering the Hub based on these real-time economic indicators.

Capture 3: The Expansion State (Active Deflation) This is what happens when our utility engines—specifically USDC routing and the Registry—hit their stride under a strictly professional management. As you can see, we have crossed the 121.0% Break-Even Horizon.

In this scenario, we are generating a 0.89M ATOM monthly surplus. We are no longer printing money to pay for security; the business itself is so profitable that it’s actively reducing the total supply. This is the ultimate “Institutional Magnet.”

A 15% APR in this environment isn’t just “good”—it’s an elite financial instrument because it’s backed by Net Deflation.

This is why the Economic Constitution is non-negotiable. We shouldn’t be debating whether to cut inflation or not; we should be debating how fast we can build the infrastructure to reach this 121% horizon. This is the flight path to $ATOM becoming the primary reserve asset of the interchain.

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No worries at all about the delay; the pace is perfect, and the depth of this exchange shows we are moving in the right direction. In this rebuilding phase, our approach is completely open: any constructive idea or perspective that helps steer our path will be thoroughly studied and debated.

​Framing this as an Economic Constitution rather than rigid, bureaucratic rules is an excellent nuance. It provides the necessary flexibility for an evolving ecosystem while establishing the framework of trust required for the community and the Community Pool.

​Seeing these visual prototypes brought forward is a step. It perfectly materializes what we were just discussing.

​The fourth pillar — the Revenue Heatmap — adds significant value. As the captures show, measuring the burn volume is one thing, but precisely mapping its sources allows us to shift from passive observation to strategic steering (knowing where to double down and where to pivot).

​As for the bonus idea of the Break-Even Horizon progress bar, these mockups prove it is the perfect gamification tool. Watching that gauge fill up from the current 33.6% deficit up to the 121% net deflation state will be the ultimate economic health indicator for every ATOM holder. It turns complex tokenomics into a clear, shared mission.

​Beyond just measurement, it also seems crucial to use this momentum to actively seek and explore new, concrete pathways to feed and accelerate this burn mechanism.

​We now have our core framework visually mapped and ready:

  1. Dilution Speed (Security issuance)

  2. Burn Speed (The Black Hole)

  3. Real Yield Thermometer (Nominal - Dilution)

  4. Revenue Heatmap (The value creation sources) All topped off with the visual tracker toward inflation break-even.

​We now invite the entire community — validators, investors, and enthusiasts alike — to join this conversation. What are your thoughts on this structure and these visual directions? Which areas deserve more scrutiny or debate? The floor is open to everyone.

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@Alex_Hub and the community, as we align on the concept of the Economic Constitution, we must recognize that a true Constitution is not written in a single day. It must be a living but rigid framework—born from the community, built on consensus, and ultimately ratified through a formal governance vote.

To move from theory to action, we need to establish the Key Principles that will form the backbone of this Constitution before we put it to a vote. Based on our recent data (Gauntlet) and successes (USDC), I propose these foundational rules:

1. The Royalties Standard (Value Capture): The recent 50% revenue-share agreement with Injective USDC is our gold standard. If any project, service, or domain registry wants to use the “ATOM” brand or operate as a core Hub utility, it must have a clear Revenue-Share agreement. We cannot allow third parties to monetize our brand and extract liquidity while leaving the Hub with only negligible gas fees. If you build on the Hub’s prestige, you feed the Hub’s Black Hole.

2. Baseline Stability & Tactical Growth: Gauntlet’s data proves that emissions cause <1% of sell pressure. Therefore, the Constitution must protect our loyal compounding capital by maintaining the baseline staking APR. For new growth, we shouldn’t manipulate long-term inflation, but rather execute aggressive, community-voted 30-day boosted staking promos to onboard new capital safely.

3. Mandatory Transparency (The Dashboard): No Community Pool spending proposal should be valid unless it is measured against our real-time Dashboard (The Revenue Heatmap). We must audit how capital flight is converted into captured revenue.

A Constitution must be rigid in its core rules to protect investors, yet open and democratic in its creation. Let’s discuss these key points, refine them, and prepare a formal governance proposal to officially establish the economic rules of the Cosmos Hub.

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A topic for the constitution exists, as I remember well.

a discord group from french guys was also working on it since 2023

But nothing concret from there, the focus was elsewhere

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Thank you for your constructive input, TRAVE, and thank you again for your commitment to this Hub. However, we must face the reality that without the active support of the entire community, achieving this will remain extremely complicated.

Regarding the Gauntlet data you mentioned, I unfortunately do not have access to their sources or full report, but shouldn’t we be very careful with that “<1% of sell pressure” figure?

Regarding the Constitution itself, yes, transparency must absolutely be the standard to establish true trust—and not just through technical instruments or dashboards.

On the topic of systematic value capture, while it is a solution, shouldn’t we nuance it? Wouldn’t putting too much pressure on teams or chains simply scare them away? In reality, it feels like we have very few leverage points right now, except perhaps for IBC. Wouldn’t implementing small, painless taxes for users—not necessarily paid in ATOM, but capturing value directly from the IBC volume routed through the Hub—be a good starting point?

Could we also eventually offer incentives for chains to work with the Cosmos Hub through subscription-based models (for extra speed, shared security, etc.)?

Finally, just as it has been raised in other community discussions, shouldn’t we also start thinking about a native DEX, or finally concluding a strategic framework with Osmosis?

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@Guinch_Roze, the key difference between the 2023 attempts and this one is the focus. That is exactly why we are calling it an Economic Constitution: its sole purpose is to guide our finances, not strict politics. We are not trying to dictate a philosophy of life or get bogged down in deep systemic bureaucracy. We simply want economic stability. Past efforts failed because they were political; this is strictly a corporate business plan built to achieve monetary equilibrium.

@Alex_Hub, these are exactly the nuances we need to refine the Constitution.

1. The Gauntlet Data: The <1% figure isn’t an assumption; it comes directly from the official “Hub Weekly Update #1” published by the Hub Unit on May 14th. They empirically estimated that actual sell pressure from emissions is only between 9,000 and 18,000 ATOM per day. We must base our monetary policy on this official hard data, not on market fear.

2. Value Capture & The 4-Year USDC Contract: I completely agree: the goal is not to extort builders, but to monetize the flow. Your idea of “painless taxes” on IBC routing is brilliant. We already have the perfect template: the 4-year Injective USDC contract that went live on May 7th. It is profitable from day one with zero maintenance cost for the Hub, yielding a 50% revenue share. That is our absolute gold standard for value capture without scaring developers.

3. Native DEX / Osmosis: A strategic framework here is inevitable. However, before we deploy capital to build a native DEX or finalize an exclusive deal with Osmosis, we absolutely need the Dashboard active. We cannot authorize building our own native store or partnering with a massive mall without real-time instruments to measure the net ROI for the Community Pool.

I propose we use these exact points—the USDC revenue standard, the Gauntlet data on staking, and the mandatory Dashboard ROI—as the foundation. Shall we start outlining the first few articles of the Constitution based on this?

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​I completely agree with this pragmatic and purely “business” approach. Grounding the debate in a strictly quantified business plan based on the recent data from the Hub Weekly Update #1 is exactly the path to follow to achieve monetary equilibrium and save the Hub.

​However, I strongly emphasize a crucial strategic point: we must submit these proposals to governance via multiple separate votes rather than launching a single, massive block. Too many ambitious proposals have failed in the past because a major validator voted “NO” over a single line of detail. By moving step by step, we secure each victory without risking everything all at once.

​Here is the structure of the three votes I propose:

  1. Vote 1: Creation of a Burn Address and Measurement Tools. We need to deploy an official, transparent burn address directly connected to a real-time ROI measurement Dashboard. Before allocating any capital from the Community Pool for a native DEX or a partnership, these measurement tools must be active to audit the effectiveness of every single cent.

  2. Vote 2: Dynamic Burn Mechanism via IBC Fees and the “Injective Standard.” The May 7th Injective agreement (50% revenue share to buy back ATOM) and future frictionless taxes on IBC routing — applied exclusively to transactions transiting through the Hub — will power this engine. If the Dashboard indicates that the Treasury (Community Pool) has reached its safety threshold, 100% of these real revenue flows will be automatically and dynamically redirected to the burn address to permanently destroy ATOM.

  3. Vote 3: Inflation Reduction by Adjusting Staking Yields. Gauntlet’s empirical data proves that stakers are “strong hands” and do not dump the network (only 9k-18k ATOM sold per day). Therefore, we can safely lower the nominal staking yield. This will mechanically reduce ATOM’s price dilution, reassure external investors, and increase the real value of staked capital, rather than printing a currency that continually devalues itself.

​What do you think? Do you have any objections, other counterarguments, or feedback to move this project forward? Would you also want to change the order of the votes?

Source: Cosmos Hub Forum - Hub Weekly Update #1 (May 14, 2026)

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@Alex_Hub, breaking this down into modular votes is a masterclass in governance strategy. You are absolutely right: monolithic proposals often fail over minor details. A step-by-step rollout secures the foundation without risking the entire vision.

Vote 1 (Measurement) & Vote 2 (Dynamic Burn): These are flawless. I am 100% aligned. We build the instruments (Dashboard), and then we connect the revenue engine (IBC fees/Injective standard) to the exhaust (Burn address). Perfect sequence.

Regarding Vote 3 (The Staking Paradox & Investor Psychology): We have a strategic divergence here. You correctly note that stakers are “strong hands” (only 9k-18k sold daily). However, cutting their yield based on this loyalty is a dangerous corporate move.

Let me speak bluntly as an investor and a trader: If you reduce the inflation and cut the staking yield, what retains me from moving my capital? > Right now, investors hold because the high yield protects our investment while the price is down. If there is a market rally, compounding those high yields is far more profitable than selling. The high APR acts as our risk-insurance.

If you cut the APR, you completely remove the incentive to hold. If the price of ATOM goes up, I won’t hold; I will simply sell to take profit because the staking yield no longer justifies the risk of keeping the asset locked. Furthermore, from a trading perspective, if the yield doesn’t lock my capital in, it becomes much more profitable for me to just take my liquidity and swing trade other, more volatile altcoins. I will simply extract my value and leave, either to a safer stablecoin or to a more lucrative trading pair.

If emissions only cause <1% of sell pressure, cutting the yield won’t fix the price, but it will incentivize a massive liquidity drain from your most loyal base.

Therefore, I propose reframing Vote 3 as the “Capital Protection & Growth Act”:

  1. Protect the Baseline APR: Keep the current yield to protect our 80% loyal capital and maintain the holding incentive against trading alternatives.

  2. Introduce 30-Day Boosted Promos: Create aggressive, short-term staking promotions to market and onboard new retail and institutional capital.

If Votes 1 and 2 succeed, the Dashboard will prove our Dynamic Burn offsets inflation anyway. We don’t need to cut the yield; we need our revenue to out-burn it. What are your thoughts on this reframed Vote 3?

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